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hello everybody how's it going it is

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december 21st

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this is my last live before christmas um

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and i wanted to do uh something a little

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bit special something a little bit

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different but definitely something super

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exciting

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so uh let's just see who we've got here

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good to see you all familiar faces

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strafe wilson good to see you dope knows

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wilfred laura sosa good to see you as

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always joss jorney how's it going guys

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so yeah thanks for being here guys let's

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jump into it let's introduce my guest

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for this last live before christmas

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um

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this is a good friend of mine we've been

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friends for some time now over the past

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year and

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i've wanted to do this interview for a

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very long time and here we are so

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without further ado please welcome

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mr ashley cowy ashley how's it going man

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it's impossible to live up to the intro

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thank you so much yeah indeed um this

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has been a while planned in a while in

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the the offerings i'm delighted to be

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joining you on your channel

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thank you so much man and we've been

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doing so much talking behind the scenes

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for quite some time now and

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yeah i'm so glad we're finally here man

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it's exciting

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so um

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yeah like

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look at that background as well look

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look at look at that man

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the whole purpose of being here is to

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discuss what essentially is this

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background let me show you watch this

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let's do it

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if we covered this

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no let's avoid it we'll come back in but

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what's behind me and there's a mountain

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behind me and when i get out of the way

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the camera later on

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we'll discuss the the relevance that it

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has and why i'm sitting here but indeed

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this is this is um rural columbia and

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we're going to venture right into that

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soon yeah so for everyone out there it's

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not scotland on a sunny day ash is

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scottish but

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is living in colombia but we'll get into

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all of that we will so um

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ash i think you've got a presentation

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should we just jump straight in there

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because i can't wait to see it and yeah

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indeed if you want me to share my screen

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we'll get on with this and you know if

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there's a lot of people haven't heard of

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me a lot of people in the uk have seen

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things that i've done there but i think

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the best way for people to learn who i

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am and what i'm trying to bring to the

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table is just to watch the presentation

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what's in there is infinitely more

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interesting than i could ever be

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[Laughter]

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so if you can

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maximize your screen behind the scenes

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and then i can see once you've done that

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and we can we can jump straight into it

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okay here we go here we go everyone

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there we go

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so you tell me when you've handed the

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controls over vinny

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it's all yours bro

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all right

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i'm ashley kerry explorer filmmaker

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telephone television presenter and

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author

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my platform online is history fuzz

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and um

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the reason i'm bringing this

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presentation today is because we're

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about to launch a new film project in

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columbia we're filming in february so

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what i'm about to show you and share

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with you

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will give you an insight into the

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project that i'm going to announce at

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the end of this presentation

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so for those who have never heard of me

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this screen presents a resume of what

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i've been up to in the last 20 years on

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the left there's a country list which

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represents the countries i've filmed

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documentaries in and probably best known

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in america for working with josh gates

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on expedition unknown where he's most

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recently been in colombia searching for

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the mythical city of el dorado we just

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had our show there the premiere and the

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season nine and in scotland i'm maybe

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known for the people's history show

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where i worked with sarah mack in two

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seasons going around scotland looking at

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the

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of an 18 sorry a 19th century pastel

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painting that surfaced an auction in

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scotland 10 years ago the person who

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bought the paint and asked me to try and

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identify the figure dressed as a night

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templar in a famous scottish church

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and in this publication of the book i

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never did identify him however i know

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exactly who it is now in a forthcoming

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book we'll be revealing who that is

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but most recently i wrote a twist in

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time which is a

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you know it's a deep dive into a time

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that existed before the stone age which

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i called the rubbish

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for never a stone was cut measured or

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built without a rope master

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pulling a rope behind it you know before

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there was pyramids there was rope

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masters before there was

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before there were sailing craft there

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was rope masters before we could farm we

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had to build ropes so this is a deep

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dive into the history of rope can you

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believe it we're 10 minutes in and i

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so look vinnie what i should say

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rather than me start to say oh i've done

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this and i've been there and i did why

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don't you choose a country there on the

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left and i'll maybe share with you what

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i filmed there or a story i told and we

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can em and and that'll give people an

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idea of the kind of things that i film

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yeah that sounds good

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go on i'm going to go straight to the

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top and i'm just going to go argentina

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you really think of that a lot of

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argentina right so

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i was in columbia living and i get a

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phone call from my agent in los angeles

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and you must know and certainly a lot of

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people listening to this will know the

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egyptologist ramy romney he's an egypt

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an egyptologist that appears a lot in

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ancient aliens so

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he was away down in argentina looking

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for three

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mummified children buried at the top of

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volcano

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and he needed to meet me in peru and

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help him work through maps to figure out

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where best to go on this

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on this show so anyway i flew into

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catchy in argentina and unbeknownst to

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me the second location the second day

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was the the argentina's hot spot catchy

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it's a ufo hot spot more sightings there

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than any other location in argentina

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every year so so here we were 14 000

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feet high we spent a whole night at this

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huge white star-shaped farm on the

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ground a danish guy came over in the

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1950s and built a ufo landing site we

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filmed the whole night away looking for

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uap and sky and stuff and then this is

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this is absolute listen to this

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first time i've ever seen this happen in

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ramy myself and the camera guy were

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sitting there about two o'clock in the

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without going into quartz or anything

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else we saw this red light just hanging

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across the sky

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and we were absolutely dumbfounded that

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catchy this year for hot spot it went

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back to the edit in l.a and they decided

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not to put it into the show because

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nobody would believe it it would take

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away from the greater story so we just

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left it out and that's the truth now

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however i will say this that guy rami he

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comes across as this really intense

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egyptologist on screen but he is one of

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have ever worked with and i've never

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seen a guy

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control a group of people in a really

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bad far out extreme situation than him

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so there you go there's the argentina

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ufo story it just happened to have a ufo

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nice i like it i like it i've got a

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quick question here

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my friend christian says how can you

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write about vikings and not have been to

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denmark or norway

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it's just such a brilliant question

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there's no excuse for that i've been to

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iceland three times pharaohs have been

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to shedland however

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is it christian did you say his name was

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okay then he will know

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that the viking history greatly started

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in the north of scotland because it was

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in the seventh century they overtook the

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orkney islands and while you watch

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vikings on history channel okay this is

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my excuse for never having been to

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normal just confuse the issue no but

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listen to me

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all of the invasions of northern europe

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by rollo and his brother ragnar these

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invasions began from the north of

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scotland they took over the islands

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orkney and they started invading ireland

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north of scotland then worked down

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so there you go that's why i didn't go

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to norway because i didn't need to

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christian

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anyway next question quick

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i just never got to norway do you want

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to choose another country or do you want

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to carry on with the presentation it's

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completely listen we've we've this is

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choose a country go for it let's do it

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anybody in the chat i'll give you 20

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seconds 15 seconds someone choose a

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sweden

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in there in a nutshell oh wait is it not

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on the list though

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yeah for everyone watching it's got to

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be on the list oh no sorry sorry i was

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about to hit you with switzerland i'll

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tell you what let's do a non-european

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one because they're a bit predictable

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here we go we've got um non-european so

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the first non-european we've got is

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africa

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so la la bella in africa had just been

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filming in jerusalem for 36 hours this

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is back in 2011 for a show called legend

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quest this really bizarre

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camp archaeology meets sort of indiana

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jones meets the da vinci code show that

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i got caught up and i always say however

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we flew to la la bella it had been by

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the time we got there it was 42 hours

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without sleep and we started filming

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we were filming shots in this truck

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and after two hours i remember the

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producer going dude you've just hit the

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50 hour mark no sleep and guess what

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happened we're driving down this hill

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absolute outback africa it's it was it

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was um

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excuse me

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we have a call coming in i need to cut

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that off

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he's your agent

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yeah he's saying what you're doing on

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that mugs channel you're never going to

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sign off i'll tell you what i'm the only

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guy that's gone 20 minutes into an

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interview with you and not saying i

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can't say that because it's classified

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run under and then

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this is actually

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quite a free test so we were in la la

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bela and essentially the brakes gave way

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of our truck and i smashed up this kind

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of a four by four and old range rover

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before we'd even started filming so i

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just had disaster all over however we

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slept and the next day we got to

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what are

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12 rock cut churches dug into the the

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of the sedimentary rock in an area

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called in the town called la bella

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the reason we were there was because

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legends have it that the ark of the

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covenant was taken

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down from africa down into africa and

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hidden by solomon

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and

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you know we were following the story of

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the movements of the ark of the covenant

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and of course we got there and we

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interviewed a high priest in one of

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these um

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churches however

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it was all about the ark of the covenant

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that show i was a younger man and it was

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all so dramatic

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what never made the film when we were in

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africa was the

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that's not me ringing but we have

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ringing coming through

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it's not coming from my end

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okay so i've got a phone here but it's

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off it's bizarre

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so anyway we filmed in these rock cut

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churches in la la bella and it was

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absolutely fantastic we were we were

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photographing them with them drones and

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we were measuring out the different

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types of crosses that the churches were

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measured up into so we ended up going

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from there back up to italy and then

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yeah it was one of the best and one of

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the most brutal filming exercises i've

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ever been on i saw things there that

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just opened my eyes you know here's the

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thing

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in la la bella there was a wee fellow

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called juan john

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and he came up and he petitioned us for

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money and one of us went to give him

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cash and this

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fellow came over to us and he says that

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the child could have his hands bound for

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a week and the reason is this because if

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john gets a coin off us he becomes

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intimate ultimately wealthier than all

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the other children and his life is under

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danger

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so to give and to try and help in those

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situations was endangering so there was

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this

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thing that happened when i was in africa

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where we flew out we were all ill

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and from the water but it kind of

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changed my life you know it kind of

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changed the way i saw everything i've

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never seen such poor living conditions

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in life

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so from hot spots in argentina to um

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rural africa both quite a contrast but

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really really interesting stuff it's all

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archaeology and history i film

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everything's kind of based in the past

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that's incredible i think it goes to

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show the kind of

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you go to these places for a job to film

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a documentary but the culture shocks

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must be

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something else

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it's it you start you start getting numb

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right this is the thing it starts to be

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because when you're filming

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you are looking at the bar down in the

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barrel of a camera

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i'll tell you something this is crazy we

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filmed in the city of david in jerusalem

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for three days

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we filmed it the temple site we filmed

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at the all of the key sites and we even

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filmed in sewers underneath the city and

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when we left i remember thinking to

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myself

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i don't remember

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much of the wailing wall i don't because

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i'm it's behind me i'm looking at

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cameras for like maybe eight hours as

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long as there's light

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so

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what you start to do is get really

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conscious of that that you're missing a

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lot when you're telling the stories of

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the country so i take a lot more time

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now when i'm there

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days on either end of the trips to

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actually go back to some of the places

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we filmed go back to some of the folk we

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interviewed and tried to take a bit more

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because

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like that show legend quest we did 24

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countries four months i hate that what i

401
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just said i hate people who say i did a

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country you visit a country you do not

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do countries you know

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anyway

405
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yeah i so now it's all kind of different

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and now i live in a four i've been five

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years in colombia in south america and

408
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yeah i'll tell you now that's i'm still

409
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completely bamboozled with the culture i

410
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am so clearly

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a scottish guy you should never have

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left scotland i struggled so bad did you

413
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i was at wedding on saturday night okay

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and i was

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that floor with spanish cumbia going

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and i was pointing to the dj one of

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those nights it was just great this

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wedding and i turned around

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and i turned around and there was three

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women there and there was a big space

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between me and them these grannies these

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old abu lettas and you know something i

423
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realized after about 10 seconds that the

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space existed not because they were

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giving me space to dance it was because

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i was dancing

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it was i was just like a newly born baby

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horse like a giraffe trying to get onto

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his legs for the first time

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skinny scottish viking amongst all these

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latinas

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amazing oh that's so cool

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right

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back on point let's not do another

435
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country let's get straight on to this

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stuff it's all yours man

437
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right i live

438
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in the ten hotel valley in kundalini

439
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market in colombia on the central high

440
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i'm high indian plane

441
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to those who don't know colombia takes

442
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up a vast part of northern south america

443
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and the tabio valley marked here by this

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red patch in the middle

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is about

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two thousand miles from the sea it's

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landlocked and it was home to one of the

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four high cultures of the andes the

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moiska people

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so when the war of the roses and stuff

451
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was going on in england we had a

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civilization called the moiska that were

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led by

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a high king in the south if you like

455
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called the zipper this valley we live in

456
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was the royal garden of the zipper he

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owned this entire

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baccata savannah which was one of the

459
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richest most resourceful agricultural

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centers in south america

461
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we live

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right here in the center

463
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of this valley that was revealed about

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30 000 years ago when the prehistoric

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lake humboldt receded

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so

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where i work and i mean this the last

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two years since this coronavirus racket

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been i've not been out of the place and

470
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i just turned to the hills it turned to

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the mountains i film in the mountains we

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play there i photograph from there sorry

473
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i should say this to establish myself

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this is awful

475
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i studied filmmaking and photography in

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glasgow after high school

477
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i worked within different industries

478
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until my 30s but i ended up teaching

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filmmaking at the university of west

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scotland

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i i've taught photography since so i am

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a filmmaker and photographer hands-on

483
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i'm not director of the black cat in the

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seat that tells people what to do and

485
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very often and more often behind the

486
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camera as you're about to see so these

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mountains here it's called the tenno and

488
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tabio valley and as you're about to see

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throughout presentation

490
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there's lots of connections with other

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famous valleys his darling

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as we go so what i do is essentially in

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the last four years i fly

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teams of explorers scientists and

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students to the andes and i serve them

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as a guide

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and what we do is we film fund and film

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these independent filmmaking projects so

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12 people here

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all paid all became co-producers we put

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a private film on the ancient origins

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platform

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so this is 219 and this worked we had

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these 12 people out here it was

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absolutely amazing we had a hydrologist

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out who was studying the valley we had a

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minro

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a mineralogist we had a museologist lots

509
00:18:44,870 --> 00:18:42,320
of old stuff then we had some crackers

510
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we had a musician we had some crazy

511
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political people there was just this

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really big band with the folk and we

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loved it and we realized i realized i

514
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can make a living in colombia doing what

515
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i love just taking folk out and showing

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them archaeology let them discover stuff

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00:19:01,110 --> 00:18:59,520
so

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there's this is where we do i mean i

519
00:19:05,190 --> 00:19:02,480
love this money this is what we get up

520
00:19:07,990 --> 00:19:05,200
to we identify locations where we think

521
00:19:10,310 --> 00:19:08,000
there might be archaeology pictograms

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um and we get there and sometimes it

523
00:19:13,990 --> 00:19:11,840
takes us a long time to get there this

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is myself and i had hydrologists from

525
00:19:18,710 --> 00:19:16,640
austria we had them we were looking for

526
00:19:21,029 --> 00:19:18,720
tunnels on what you're about to learn

527
00:19:22,630 --> 00:19:21,039
all about the sera de weica the sacred

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mountain in our valley

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so this here took us two days to get to

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one day to go up and scale next day to

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cut away the rotten trees and this is us

532
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at

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2 800 meters about

534
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300 meters down from the top of this

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00:19:39,190 --> 00:19:37,280
mountain and um i i had a freak i

536
00:19:42,070 --> 00:19:39,200
freaked out i

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00:19:44,789 --> 00:19:42,080
turned into a 14 year old pedantic brat

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and i was i hang on you have no idea i

539
00:19:48,230 --> 00:19:46,640
can't do heights and i had to because i

540
00:19:50,150 --> 00:19:48,240
was filming this and i was leading this

541
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thing so i had to i couldn't be that guy

542
00:19:56,070 --> 00:19:53,679
but he i froze up there okay so this guy

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00:19:57,350 --> 00:19:56,080
man handled me down over half a day i

544
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have no

545
00:20:00,950 --> 00:19:58,799
nothing to hide with this and i'll tell

546
00:20:03,669 --> 00:20:00,960
you something that was a major moment

547
00:20:04,789 --> 00:20:03,679
big shouts out there telmer

548
00:20:06,950 --> 00:20:04,799
elmer

549
00:20:08,870 --> 00:20:06,960
took me down that mountain and showed me

550
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this he showed me

551
00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:11,039
that you cannot do everything you want

552
00:20:15,590 --> 00:20:13,440
to do in life on your own sometimes you

553
00:20:17,110 --> 00:20:15,600
need bigger stronger people and i

554
00:20:19,350 --> 00:20:17,120
submitted to him in that whole that day

555
00:20:21,029 --> 00:20:19,360
in that mountain and my whole life got

556
00:20:22,549 --> 00:20:21,039
saved and i can back down so i always

557
00:20:24,549 --> 00:20:22,559
show people this thing we do get

558
00:20:27,270 --> 00:20:24,559
dangerous out here we do get off the

559
00:20:28,390 --> 00:20:27,280
beaten track and we do find stuff so

560
00:20:30,310 --> 00:20:28,400
maybe i'm going to share with you what

561
00:20:31,909 --> 00:20:30,320
we find okay this is when it starts to

562
00:20:35,110 --> 00:20:31,919
get interesting

563
00:20:36,470 --> 00:20:35,120
so our next expedition in 2020

564
00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:36,480
we flew

565
00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:41,200
from um

566
00:20:44,789 --> 00:20:43,679
noah wendrich from thursday in the north

567
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:44,799
of scotland

568
00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:47,039
we flew in walls of payne who's a remote

569
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:48,400
technology

570
00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:51,679
excuse me just one second

571
00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:54,240
we flew in walter payne who's a remote

572
00:20:59,430 --> 00:20:56,640
technology scientist from america

573
00:21:01,270 --> 00:20:59,440
we took in wally laurie umberg who's a

574
00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:01,280
geologist from north america and we went

575
00:21:04,549 --> 00:21:02,720
out with metal detectors i got

576
00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:04,559
permissions to metal detect in a private

577
00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:06,080
estate

578
00:21:09,190 --> 00:21:07,039
so

579
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:09,200
in the last three years my reckoning has

580
00:21:12,630 --> 00:21:10,720
been

581
00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:12,640
that through my work on the geography of

582
00:21:17,669 --> 00:21:15,440
the area have pinpointed where the lost

583
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:17,679
temple of the moon the moist temple of

584
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:22,080
the moon was recorded last in 1536 just

585
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:24,159
before the arrival of jimenez kasada in

586
00:21:29,909 --> 00:21:27,200
the conquistadores it was destructed it

587
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:29,919
was taken apart and buried somewhere in

588
00:21:34,390 --> 00:21:31,520
the valley here

589
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:34,400
the temple of the moon goddess chia

590
00:21:37,990 --> 00:21:36,320
so after three years i've located two

591
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:38,000
positions on the maps we flew these

592
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:39,919
people in and we went looking top left

593
00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:41,760
shows you we were across the

594
00:21:46,230 --> 00:21:43,120
highest mountains in the hill in the

595
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:46,240
valley charting the holy roads that seem

596
00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:48,799
to lead to nowhere anyway we chart and

597
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:51,280
track these holy roads to cross point we

598
00:21:53,909 --> 00:21:53,039
got metal detecting and lo and behold

599
00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:53,919
vinnie

600
00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:56,159
my friend walter shout out to walter

601
00:22:01,590 --> 00:21:58,880
payne see you very very soon and we'll

602
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:01,600
come back to that walter scanning in

603
00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:02,960
this location

604
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:05,440
and to say the metal detector went crazy

605
00:22:11,190 --> 00:22:07,440
vinny and on the bottom right that's

606
00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:11,200
what he discovered a 32 gram tombaga

607
00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:12,960
gold and silver mix

608
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:15,440
statuette of chia

609
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:18,400
the goddess of the moon to save x mark

610
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:21,039
the spot vinnie look at it

611
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:24,640
this is a centimeter high and was carved

612
00:22:28,710 --> 00:22:26,559
800 years ago

613
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:28,720
and it represents

614
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:31,440
one of the smallest discoveries made in

615
00:22:36,149 --> 00:22:33,360
colombian archaeological history believe

616
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:36,159
it or not let me explain how this works

617
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:38,320
the mountain lion here which you can see

618
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:41,200
on the left was worshiped itself

619
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:44,000
as a manifestation of chia the goddess

620
00:22:46,870 --> 00:22:45,200
of the moon

621
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:46,880
who governed the valley we're in which

622
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:48,960
we're going to come to soon you can see

623
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:51,120
how she can be interpreted as having a

624
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:53,760
head on the left this perfectly formed

625
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:55,840
part breast in the center

626
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:57,760
which is represented by the sarawak and

627
00:23:02,470 --> 00:23:00,000
the hands on her pregnant stomach the

628
00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:02,480
figurine we found shows the head with

629
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:04,400
the skull cap of the goddess chia she

630
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:07,200
was depicted in indigenous mythology she

631
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:09,600
has her full breasts and her fat stomach

632
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:11,360
because she's pregnant

633
00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:13,760
she holds in the center of her stomach

634
00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:15,039
the full moon

635
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:16,720
she is the goddess of the moon and her

636
00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:18,960
hands are on the side here look at those

637
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:21,760
tiny strokes on the hands this is a one

638
00:23:28,149 --> 00:23:25,679
centimeter height crap people grab chia

639
00:23:30,549 --> 00:23:28,159
somebody has created a clay figurine of

640
00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:30,559
their goddess 800 years ago and used

641
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:32,720
grass to create the fingers and lines

642
00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:34,640
they've covered that in beeswax they've

643
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:36,880
created a mold they've filled it in with

644
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:39,200
molten gold the tombaga mix with silver

645
00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:40,400
and copper

646
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:41,840
in the green pouch

647
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:44,159
and and this has been cast it was left

648
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:47,039
in the ground as part of one of the lost

649
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:48,720
treasures of the temple of the moon were

650
00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:51,200
convinced so we're going back there this

651
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:52,960
year to this site but

652
00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:54,720
this is what we do then we're out there

653
00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:56,799
with metal detectors looking for things

654
00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:59,200
and finding these kind of things so

655
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:01,360
um moving on

656
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:03,600
right can i just ask can i just ask a

657
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:05,760
question about about the moon goddess

658
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:08,400
there or or the piece that you showed

659
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:10,159
um

660
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:12,400
obviously it's valuable as far as

661
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:14,240
archaeology and history goes does it

662
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:17,039
have a particular value monetary wise as

663
00:24:22,149 --> 00:24:19,440
well it certainly does vinnie i've got

664
00:24:24,070 --> 00:24:22,159
it here let me show you what

665
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:24,080
this was not planned

666
00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:27,760
look at this little baby wow

667
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:30,400
there she is 32 grams

668
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:31,039
and

669
00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:36,240
let me show you something can you see

670
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:39,200
a silver a little gold fleck on the toe

671
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:40,880
yes you can see in the image more than i

672
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:43,200
can in your hand but definitely can you

673
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:45,120
see on the top of the head in the image

674
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:46,640
are there there's a hole

675
00:24:48,870 --> 00:24:47,840
yeah

676
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:48,880
right

677
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:51,279
this is made from from an alloy called

678
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:52,640
tumbaga

679
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:56,159
it's a mixture of gold silver and copper

680
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:58,880
and the the ancient alchemists the

681
00:25:02,230 --> 00:25:00,880
moist alchemists would extract these

682
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:02,240
four medals

683
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:04,159
and then they would blend those medals

684
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:06,640
depending on the version of the deity

685
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:09,120
they were worshiping for example

686
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:12,400
the sun god sway when it was rising was

687
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:14,720
worshiped with really light gold so it

688
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:17,360
had a high silver content

689
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:18,720
the setting sun when they were

690
00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:21,039
worshiping sua in a setting mode was

691
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:23,279
much redder and richer so they are added

692
00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:25,360
more copper

693
00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:27,520
when they were worshipping

694
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:30,159
the the the oscar te la luna the moon

695
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:31,360
goddess

696
00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:33,679
they had it they added an almost pure

697
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:35,120
silver mix

698
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:37,440
but what's happened with this is

699
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:39,520
this gold fleck and the hole in the head

700
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:42,320
tells us this was an impure mixture and

701
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:44,080
there's two flaws in it do you know

702
00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:45,679
what's happened here vinnie i think

703
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:48,080
someone's made this thrown it over their

704
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:50,559
shoulder because never ever would such

705
00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:53,279
an imperfect artifact be left to the

706
00:25:58,630 --> 00:25:55,760
goddess of the moon perfect okay here

707
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:58,640
you go in bogota is the largest gold

708
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:00,240
museum in the world

709
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:04,080
it has 55 000 golden artifacts on

710
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:05,760
display

711
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:07,520
many of them are broken now and in

712
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:11,200
pieces but not one of them shows as much

713
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:14,000
as a flick of a production or a

714
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:16,720
fabrication error perfection was given

715
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:18,400
to the gods and the goddesses and left

716
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:20,240
in the ground and the stones and the

717
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:22,960
lagoons here but this little guy this

718
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:25,279
little girl represents everything that's

719
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:27,840
good about the valley of the moon

720
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:30,240
because the traditional moisture beliefs

721
00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:32,080
are that this is the valley of the

722
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:35,120
goddess chia the valley of the moon and

723
00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:36,159
we're going to go right into that

724
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:38,799
because this mountain range here that's

725
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:41,840
been worshipped for at least 800 if not

726
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:44,159
longer years as the the moon goddess

727
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:45,120
chia

728
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:46,640
is intricately

729
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:48,320
related to today's

730
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:50,799
ufo phenomenon in colombia

731
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:56,230
so

732
00:27:02,950 --> 00:26:59,039
tabio i've written here is a tiny andean

733
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:02,960
village with a big commitment to ufos

734
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:06,480
tabio for the last since 1954

735
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:10,480
has been known as colombia's ufo hotspot

736
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:12,240
it is the home

737
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:14,320
of so let's just call it at the moment a

738
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:15,760
phenomenon which we're going to come

739
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:17,200
back to

740
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:19,360
however what you can see here on the

741
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:21,919
left is this long straight road okay

742
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:24,159
this is an old holy road which you can

743
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:26,240
see until the midpoint aligns with the

744
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:28,799
tip of this mountain which represents

745
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:31,600
the breast of waika or chia

746
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:33,520
here across the valley in ten who again

747
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:35,760
the mid street is straight to the

748
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:37,760
opposing mountain

749
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:39,600
and the whole village the whole all the

750
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:42,240
streets again are aligned to

751
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:44,000
the top of the hill

752
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:46,240
see this road here vinnie on the left

753
00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:47,520
yep you know do you know what it's

754
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:48,640
called

755
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:51,039
on google on google maps

756
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:53,679
and the router de la sovnis and that is

757
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:54,799
the road

758
00:28:02,310 --> 00:27:59,039
road of the ufos

759
00:28:04,389 --> 00:28:02,320
people call this the road but also this

760
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:04,399
whole path that goes from the village to

761
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:05,760
the top of the mountain is called the

762
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:07,679
rutadello softness now let me take you

763
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:09,600
in a little bit deeper into tabio

764
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:11,679
however at this moment as we're about to

765
00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:13,600
bring in all danger words

766
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:16,159
let me tell you now i am telling you

767
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:18,960
what is believed not always what i

768
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:21,039
believe you must ask me what i believe

769
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:22,320
to get that

770
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:23,919
right now i'm going to tell you what

771
00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:26,240
this entire town is built on

772
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:29,840
welcome to the ufo art of tabio

773
00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:33,039
wow so they're just i did look there's

774
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:35,440
just a few examples so on the left is a

775
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:37,360
back street and tabio

776
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:40,080
and where an artist federico

777
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:41,840
has has um

778
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:44,159
been commissioned to draw a meteor by

779
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:45,120
meteor

780
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:47,120
pitcher off this famous mountain

781
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:49,919
represents waika the goddess of the moon

782
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:51,520
and you can look here in the beautiful

783
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:53,039
landscape look in the top right here

784
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:55,600
he's got a big clanging ufo

785
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:57,120
flying over the top of the mountain and

786
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:58,399
look there's an animal here been

787
00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:00,000
abducted

788
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:02,240
so you know why would the disappear in

789
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:05,279
the middle of fabio will why two would

790
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:06,799
the top right picture this is an

791
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:08,720
indigenous monument at the neighboring

792
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:10,559
village of ten ho

793
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:13,200
it's again a big two meter by major ufo

794
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:14,720
because

795
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:17,200
even the indigenous communities around

796
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:19,440
here today interpret

797
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:22,000
what used to be interpreted as the gods

798
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:23,279
chia goddess the moon we're going to

799
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:24,640
come back to that

800
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:27,440
as ufos many

801
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:31,760
this is the fact the culture here is so

802
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:34,480
susceptible or inclined to believe in

803
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:36,080
ufos that

804
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:37,120
we're going to have a laugh with this

805
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:39,760
but when i gesture a modicum of

806
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:43,360
skepticism i get called crazy

807
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:44,559
you're going to see i'm going to show

808
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:47,200
you examples of this however we have ufo

809
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:49,600
monument this here is a guy

810
00:29:53,590 --> 00:29:51,200
who um he's popular around town what

811
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:53,600
he's done is he bought this state

812
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:55,440
and because he claims to have

813
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:58,159
experienced so many ufos passing in this

814
00:30:02,310 --> 00:30:00,320
direction to the top of the mountain he

815
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:02,320
built a ufo landing pad

816
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:03,600
god bless him

817
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:06,559
wow amazing yeah it does and what's

818
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:08,880
what's what's the thing is here is

819
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:11,200
he's he's built this thing and people

820
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:13,200
use it they go up there and here's the

821
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:15,279
thing vinnie we've got two ufo cults in

822
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:17,919
the valley we have a german family who

823
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:19,679
have a big house in the basement

824
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:22,399
mountain who quite clearly have only

825
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:24,799
german people there are waiting for the

826
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:26,880
return of what we're about to show you

827
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:28,480
and also we've got this guy called

828
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:30,559
william chavez a systems engineer who

829
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:33,120
has contact domni he's got an specs

830
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:35,279
thing to a 23-man cult on the other side

831
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:37,200
of the valley all

832
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:39,039
monitoring this mountain

833
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:41,520
24 7. i'm

834
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:43,120
quite convinced

835
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:44,240
i'm going to show you what people think

836
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:45,840
it is in a minute

837
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:50,470
what is that

838
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:52,159
i'm just going to let you sync your eyes

839
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:53,840
on that for just a minute i'm talking

840
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:56,159
too much i'm just is that wait no no

841
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:57,919
this is your presentation but is that a

842
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:01,120
legitimate photograph well you must read

843
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:03,440
the headlines

844
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:05,760
oh okay

845
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:08,880
it's all in there so this um this is

846
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:09,840
great

847
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:11,519
so

848
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:13,279
this guy

849
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:15,200
rosney

850
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:17,200
ludelma

851
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:20,080
in 2017 went to el tiempo the biggest

852
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:22,559
newspaper in colombia and said

853
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:24,960
i took this photograph over waika shows

854
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:26,080
on the left

855
00:31:29,590 --> 00:31:28,559
and instantly he was all over the press

856
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:29,600
here okay

857
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:32,080
right so then so then the next morning

858
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:34,960
graphics designer from bogota

859
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:37,679
posted the top right picture and said

860
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:40,559
but hang on i made that yesterday

861
00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:43,039
art project on the lunch

862
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:45,279
so rosny on the left doubles down and

863
00:31:50,549 --> 00:31:47,200
goes don't believe him i think he's at

864
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:50,559
it then the designer releases the pretty

865
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:52,640
photograph guess what

866
00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:54,960
ross needs double down again and today

867
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:56,720
his photograph is for sale for a lot of

868
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:58,480
money in a local restaurant in tavio

869
00:32:02,789 --> 00:32:00,559
whether you believe it or not and they

870
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:02,799
sell them

871
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:04,559
that's incredible

872
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:06,720
but they listen to this

873
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:08,799
they sell them vinnie that shows you

874
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:10,159
that there is a

875
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:11,840
huge huge belief here let me tell you

876
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:12,799
something

877
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:15,360
i think yes i read this recently

878
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:18,799
28 of south americans believe that alien

879
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:21,840
contact will be made in this year 2021

880
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:23,919
right that's just over 20

881
00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:25,919
but over 80 believe it's already been

882
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:27,919
made in fact when i did the calculation

883
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:31,039
i think i added up to 104 percent one of

884
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:33,840
those one of those one of those days but

885
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:36,240
no idea and there's but what happens

886
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:38,320
here very differently to our country is

887
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:40,000
um

888
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:42,720
90 of the country are catholic so they

889
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:44,799
believe in spirit they have spiritual

890
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:46,640
thinking it's part of their makeup yeah

891
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:48,960
their structure includes

892
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:52,320
angels and demons and ghosts and brew

893
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:53,840
has witches

894
00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:55,679
it truly does it's part pi here's the

895
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:57,919
thing is while we work and operate with

896
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:00,320
the two pillars of western philosophy

897
00:33:05,509 --> 00:33:03,200
science and religion those don't exist

898
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:05,519
here in indigenous concepts and cultures

899
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:07,440
you know they have what's called cosmo

900
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:10,240
vision where more like star wars if

901
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:11,919
you'd like the force where every living

902
00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:14,080
thing is interconnected in a greater

903
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:16,559
matrix connected together and where

904
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:18,880
nodules occur they build temples and

905
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:20,000
shrines

906
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:22,159
and have holy sites and

907
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:23,760
so therefore you know you've got this

908
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:25,679
indigenous culture in colombia that's

909
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:27,919
now married with the modern christian

910
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:29,679
culture so

911
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:31,360
everybody they're

912
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:32,720
that what we're about to show you here

913
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:33,919
when i'm going to move on i need to get

914
00:33:36,630 --> 00:33:35,440
that off my screen this it was

915
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:36,640
ridiculous but i thought it was great

916
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:39,039
it's wonderful when you first see that

917
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:40,960
let's let's we should what we should do

918
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:44,159
now is cut to the center of all these

919
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:46,080
ufo sightings the

920
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:49,120
la pena de weica was um is a

921
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:51,200
the highest hill in london america it's

922
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:53,600
at 3 100 meters

923
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:56,240
it's between the municipalities of tabio

924
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:58,399
and 10 who in this valley

925
00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:59,679
so

926
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:01,760
a year ago we built a house here we

927
00:34:06,149 --> 00:34:04,080
built a house right there where you see

928
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:06,159
this picture right so i am taking that

929
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:07,440
picture from

930
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:09,440
our front the end of our front of our

931
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:10,480
state

932
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:13,440
nice and since we've been here right in

933
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:15,280
rural columbia

934
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:17,280
every night for

935
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:19,599
it's almost a year every night i have

936
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:21,839
had the pleasure of setting up my tripod

937
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:24,480
as a photographer and photographing this

938
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:26,800
mountain in all of its versions and

939
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:28,480
guises and moods

940
00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:30,960
so in every sense i have become

941
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:33,839
intimately connected with chia the

942
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:35,919
goddess of the moon because this little

943
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:38,000
pregnant goddess remember is what you're

944
00:34:42,069 --> 00:34:40,159
looking at on your screen that per that

945
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:42,079
that nipple there the breast of wyk has

946
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:44,639
been worshipped for 800 years so here's

947
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:45,359
me

948
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:47,599
researching this mountain

949
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:53,510
since 1608

950
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:56,240
spanish records in tabio

951
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:57,920
recorded

952
00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:00,800
the colonialists baptizing this mountain

953
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:03,200
vinnie as

954
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:04,880
the is actually

955
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:08,480
el cerro con loses dysantes or the hell

956
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,760
of the dancing whites so 1608 we have it

957
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:13,440
baptized as the hell of the dancing

958
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:15,200
whites

959
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:17,280
since then the indigenous cultures have

960
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:20,240
called it la puerta de los dioses the

961
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:23,119
doorway of the gods

962
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:25,839
all the indigenous myths in the valley

963
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:28,320
talk of

964
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:29,680
bachika

965
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:31,440
the sun god

966
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:34,560
coming to earth from a place that time

967
00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:36,000
forgot

968
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:37,280
through

969
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:40,240
the tip of the breast of the sarawaka

970
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:42,560
through the top of this mountain

971
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:45,119
right so often are lights

972
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:46,160
seen

973
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:48,240
at the top of this mountain and on the

974
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:49,680
path up to it

975
00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:53,280
for since 1608 that it's become

976
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:55,520
titled today the ruta del oro softness

977
00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:57,599
the ufo road

978
00:36:01,510 --> 00:36:00,079
so when you look further into this

979
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:01,520
this this um

980
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:04,000
whole idea that lights are seen on the

981
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:05,280
mountain

982
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:07,280
we call it a phenomenon it's known as

983
00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:09,119
the dancing lights of tabi if anyone

984
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:11,359
would like to google it you'll find

985
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:13,280
thousands of translatable pages about

986
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:16,560
the dancing lights of tavio or waika

987
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:19,200
the mountain was a center for worship of

988
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:21,599
the goddess of moon chia

989
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:23,440
and um

990
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:25,040
i found this really really really

991
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:26,720
interesting entry

992
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:30,240
um from a 1970s mythologist and tabio

993
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:32,160
who talked about

994
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:34,320
on holy friday

995
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:36,560
that that the mountain opens up

996
00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:38,560
and that the cheap chat or indigenous

997
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,800
treasures are revealed he claimed that

998
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:42,560
this would be done with a light the

999
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:44,079
lights would show

1000
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:45,920
so can you imagine we just built a house

1001
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:47,359
in february and we've got eight weeks to

1002
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:49,599
go until this day and it is made like oh

1003
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:51,119
my goodness

1004
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:52,560
how on earth

1005
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:54,400
can someone predict

1006
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:57,599
the occurrence of a phenomenon on a date

1007
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:59,040
that's derived

1008
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:00,800
from a christian calendar a human

1009
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:02,640
construct right

1010
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:05,200
surely a light would be climatological

1011
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:06,960
therefore it wouldn't be working

1012
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:09,280
in sync with a calendar

1013
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:10,560
however

1014
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:12,160
i was spending time every night

1015
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:13,920
photographing my goddess of the moon the

1016
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:15,839
moon interacting with the back i should

1017
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:18,320
save any i mean we're involved in two

1018
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:20,160
projects just now with actual i'll call

1019
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:21,680
them and i keep referring to indigenous

1020
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:23,920
cultures but i do lots of films with

1021
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:26,640
indigenous communities like the pure

1022
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:28,800
moistures that are left here what we do

1023
00:37:32,470 --> 00:37:30,720
is we i show them all my

1024
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:32,480
alignments on the maps from their

1025
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:34,320
temples to their mountains and they

1026
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:36,400
interpret them play with them and posts

1027
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:38,880
on instagram and on films

1028
00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:40,880
and what we do is we um

1029
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:43,520
sort of map the indigenous landscape but

1030
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:44,800
as i say

1031
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:45,839
this

1032
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:47,920
center of indigenous worship of the

1033
00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:50,480
goddess of the moon has now become the

1034
00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:53,040
center for what sometimes amount to

1035
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:56,720
hundreds of ufo reportings a year

1036
00:38:03,190 --> 00:37:59,920
so what i did in 2020 was i went long

1037
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:03,200
met professor eufauracio duffel who was

1038
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:05,440
the president the top man of the

1039
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:08,400
geological society in colombia i went

1040
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:09,839
and spent a new years with him with his

1041
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:11,839
family we got on really good i learned

1042
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:13,520
dancing with alfred

1043
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:17,520
alfreso and frasier and we

1044
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:19,599
presented telephrasing that weekend what

1045
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:22,560
i did was i said look let's put the ufos

1046
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:24,560
to the side let's put all the modern ufo

1047
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:27,119
sightings to the side and look at this

1048
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:29,440
reported phenomenon okay this light

1049
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:30,640
phenomenon

1050
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:32,000
at the mountain and what he told me i'll

1051
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:33,440
quick read through

1052
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:35,520
unlike all other mountains in the andes

1053
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:38,079
waika is composed of abnormally high

1054
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:41,119
metallic elements which he said interact

1055
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:43,440
in unusual and unpredictable way with

1056
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:45,200
environments

1057
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:47,920
so we experience throughout the the wet

1058
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:50,320
season bizarre clout

1059
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:52,000
sheet lightning he calls it but it's

1060
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:54,480
like constant lightning for two hours

1061
00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:56,880
he talks about mysterious balls of light

1062
00:39:01,030 --> 00:38:58,480
and other visual effects which he

1063
00:39:01,829 --> 00:39:01,040
attributes to magnetic stress

1064
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:01,839
right

1065
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:03,119
which he thinks you know like a

1066
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:05,440
psioelectrical formula or a phenomenon

1067
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:06,960
whereby

1068
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:09,920
let me give you a good example he said

1069
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,000
in the rainy season

1070
00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:14,400
when the sun goes down at 6 15 we only

1071
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:15,920
have half an hour difference it's light

1072
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:18,320
at 6 00 and dark it sets at night

1073
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:20,400
the mountain contracts and then all the

1074
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:22,480
liquid and the gaseous elements inside

1075
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:24,720
the mountain get pressed together and

1076
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:27,359
form in some form of corona effect at

1077
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:28,720
the top of the mountain this is what

1078
00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:31,280
he's going for geomagnetic stress and he

1079
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:32,560
believes the top of the mountain acts

1080
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:34,079
like a great big

1081
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:36,240
conductor so listen to this thing here's

1082
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:37,599
me

1083
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:41,359
getting this

1084
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:42,480
from

1085
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:45,200
eighty percent of my friends and family

1086
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:48,560
scientists students and researchers it's

1087
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:50,640
uniforms and of news

1088
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:52,240
and then to

1089
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:55,359
um to el frasio and to this like

1090
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:58,560
remaining 10 is a geological phenomena

1091
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:00,960
but guess what here's where it gets good

1092
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:04,079
to sherman skeptoid and to the other

1093
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:05,920
arch skeptics out there this is the

1094
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:06,720
thing

1095
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:08,240
it's neither

1096
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:10,400
it can't be geological phenomenon

1097
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:12,640
because they say that that's shite too

1098
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:14,480
and it can't be of so

1099
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:17,040
i'm floating where do you turn

1100
00:40:20,349 --> 00:40:18,000
when

1101
00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:20,359
so many people since

1102
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:22,960
1608 have reported lights it was

1103
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:24,640
baptized as the hell of the dancing

1104
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:26,720
lights they've been known as

1105
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:29,119
las lubis de cabajestos they've been

1106
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:31,359
known as the the the glowing little

1107
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:34,000
houses the dancing horses they have so

1108
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:36,400
many different names over the centuries

1109
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:38,880
so i'm floating in the middle i'm

1110
00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:40,720
being told of all these things and at

1111
00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:42,079
the same time i'm building a house many

1112
00:40:47,349 --> 00:40:44,319
at the base of this mountain right so

1113
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:47,359
sofa went for a month and i was thinking

1114
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:49,599
let's get the camera out

1115
00:40:59,190 --> 00:40:56,950
so i've got about trying to prove

1116
00:41:01,510 --> 00:40:59,200
the the theory of as i say the head of

1117
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:01,520
the colombian geological society have we

1118
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:03,599
got a highly charged environment and if

1119
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:06,160
so why is it charged more so than any

1120
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:08,160
other places and how does the electrical

1121
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:10,079
phenomenon then relate to

1122
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:12,240
all of the ufo phenomenon and uap

1123
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:14,160
phenomenon which we're going to get to

1124
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:16,480
nice and so this is what it did this is

1125
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:18,160
an example of what i did look at this i

1126
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:20,000
set the camera up the heart of the wet

1127
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:22,800
season and i photograph the lightning at

1128
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:24,800
all hours of the night i stay up

1129
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:26,319
sometimes to four or five in the morning

1130
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:28,400
if it's kicking off and this is an

1131
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:30,079
example this is like maybe six minutes

1132
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:32,079
of film compressed into 30 seconds but

1133
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:34,720
this is what we see visually for at

1134
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:37,200
least two months of the year electrical

1135
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:38,720
phenomenon which

1136
00:41:44,750 --> 00:41:42,000
asserts that the the um alfresco was

1137
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:44,760
right this is a really really highly

1138
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:46,400
geomagnetic

1139
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:47,520
area

1140
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:50,079
still there's no real sciences out there

1141
00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:51,520
vinnie everyone talks about ball

1142
00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:54,319
lightning okay yeah it's such a

1143
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:55,839
generalism we're gonna i'm gonna show

1144
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:58,000
you at the end of this talk

1145
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:00,880
perhaps nine different forms of ball

1146
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:03,119
like

1147
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:04,880
anyway we'll come back to that however

1148
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:06,400
what we're dealing with here is an

1149
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:07,920
exceptionally

1150
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:09,280
um

1151
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:11,599
very very magnetic valley so the theory

1152
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:13,280
is the magnetic clouds that get charged

1153
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:15,200
in the river magdalena move east and

1154
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:16,880
they meet the mountain range and boom

1155
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:19,119
manifest here at the top of this

1156
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:21,440
mountain so then the house gets built

1157
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:23,920
and we're in there 13 february last year

1158
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:25,760
hey sorry in april last year and here i

1159
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:28,240
am outside i've got it there this is

1160
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:30,319
where i work i've got my camera set here

1161
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:32,160
can you see this yeah then the mount the

1162
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:34,160
mountain's there so i was set up just

1163
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:35,440
like this

1164
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:36,720
and finney

1165
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:38,720
look like a shot i'm gonna shut up and

1166
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:39,920
let you see this

1167
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:42,000
look look what happened

1168
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:44,880
first sighting of light this is it this

1169
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:46,960
is it this is it this is the first

1170
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:48,160
photograph

1171
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:50,960
that has been presented publicly

1172
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:52,079
of

1173
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:53,200
a light

1174
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:55,680
manifesting at the top

1175
00:43:01,910 --> 00:42:58,640
of the la pena de waca ufo hot spot of

1176
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:01,920
colombia the center of indigenous moon

1177
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:03,520
worship

1178
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:05,599
look at that thing so let me tell you

1179
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:07,119
now i

1180
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:10,079
screamed at the top of my lungs and i

1181
00:43:13,589 --> 00:43:10,880
got

1182
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:13,599
it was just so dramatic

1183
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:16,000
and it never came to me at first what

1184
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:18,079
this might be which i'm going to come

1185
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:20,800
too soon however that's what i shot okay

1186
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:22,240
so let me explain i think it's only

1187
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:24,400
right here i sometimes think that

1188
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:26,240
there's a the one of the biggest plights

1189
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:28,880
of skeptics in the community is for data

1190
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:31,040
and i think wherever you can give it

1191
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:33,440
give it as scary as it might be this

1192
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:34,880
this which will make sense to

1193
00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:37,359
photographers was shot

1194
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:40,640
at f6 so the the lens was fully opened

1195
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:42,640
up to let as much light in as possible

1196
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:44,400
because it was 11 at night it was really

1197
00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:45,520
dark

1198
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:48,319
so when you open the barrel of the lens

1199
00:43:53,829 --> 00:43:51,040
right up you have to sacrifice on

1200
00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:53,839
f-stops on depth of field or indeed on

1201
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:56,000
the exposure time sorry

1202
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:58,800
once you've once you've opened up to 5.6

1203
00:44:02,790 --> 00:44:01,119
you've established your your your f

1204
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:02,800
stops and then what you have to do is

1205
00:44:07,750 --> 00:44:05,920
tweak around the shutter speed so

1206
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:07,760
if you can imagine on this instance the

1207
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:11,119
shutter was open for 30 seconds many

1208
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:12,560
so

1209
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:15,119
if that light was moving it would appear

1210
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:17,440
as a stripe you know if you can imagine

1211
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:19,599
these films you see with water flowing

1212
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:22,400
and it's a slow exposure absolutely

1213
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:25,280
30 second exposure so

1214
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:26,400
what i did

1215
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:29,280
one minute after this was

1216
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:30,880
this is so good because how many people

1217
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:32,319
experienced this kind of stuff would say

1218
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:33,920
they froze camera didn't work batteries

1219
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:36,000
were wrong

1220
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:38,000
i was there and i went like that

1221
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:41,119
i immediately turned it to half a second

1222
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:44,400
exposure which means i did away with

1223
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:46,400
all other information in the background

1224
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:48,800
and then the photograph apart from any

1225
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:50,800
light in the shot

1226
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:52,960
here we go the drum roll this is the

1227
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:55,680
shot that took

1228
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:58,560
what is that

1229
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:01,040
don't ask me that let me tell you

1230
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:03,760
let me tell you how it occurred

1231
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:05,599
so on the left is the first one at 30

1232
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:07,520
seconds and if you can see in the middle

1233
00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:09,119
shot there this is the five second

1234
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:11,599
exposure at the tip of the mountain and

1235
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:13,359
it just therefore it's going

1236
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:14,720
really quick

1237
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:15,760
perhaps

1238
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:18,319
what and i would see if it blinked and

1239
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:20,880
then when i zoomed in and we go right in

1240
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:23,680
without any editing at all this

1241
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:27,040
is what manifests in the image

1242
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:28,880
and what we'll do is spend a little bit

1243
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:31,359
of time on this why not

1244
00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:33,200
i'm going to ask you

1245
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:35,839
what you think that might be at the top

1246
00:45:40,630 --> 00:45:38,079
of the sarah dewik at 11 o'clock at

1247
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:40,640
night when everyone should be in bed

1248
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:42,079
what is that

1249
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:50,630
i don't know i mean it looks like a

1250
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:52,720
being of some sort it's like a mantis or

1251
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:55,280
something it's got a head with

1252
00:46:01,990 --> 00:45:57,040
like

1253
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:02,000
hook arms i don't know i i don't know if

1254
00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:03,680
i'm supposed to answer in a certain way

1255
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:05,680
or not but oh there's no right and

1256
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:07,280
wrongs when it comes to this and you're

1257
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:08,960
not dealing with a guy that gets caught

1258
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:11,440
up with beliefs a curse them but i'm

1259
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:12,640
asking you because what's really

1260
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:14,960
interesting is what you've done is

1261
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:17,440
here we go this is beautiful

1262
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:18,240
you

1263
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:20,160
let's be honest are thoroughly ingrained

1264
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:22,079
in the ufo world and

1265
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:23,200
exactly

1266
00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:25,440
your two first subscribers when i asked

1267
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:27,760
you about any provocation what that is

1268
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:31,599
was a mantis god love you a mantis or a

1269
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:32,560
being

1270
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:34,960
when i showed this to my friend and ten

1271
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:36,880
who indigenous community he looked at it

1272
00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:38,560
and immediately

1273
00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:39,680
he said

1274
00:46:44,950 --> 00:46:41,599
my goodness is chia

1275
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:44,960
look at her breasts it's the goddess

1276
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:46,880
and of course this is to me this is

1277
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:48,960
wonderful because i'm getting first-hand

1278
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:50,240
experience

1279
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:51,680
on how

1280
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:55,119
what we already have we greatly see

1281
00:46:58,710 --> 00:46:57,280
yes anyway but this is all part of the

1282
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:58,720
project we're about to announce that

1283
00:47:01,990 --> 00:47:00,800
that that thing i call it the approach

1284
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:02,000
so anyway

1285
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:03,200
i'm not going to tell you what i think

1286
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:04,880
that is i'm going to hold that back

1287
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:09,990
but there's more coming there's more to

1288
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:12,160
support this so this is my second

1289
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:14,000
photograph that occurred a minute after

1290
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:16,079
the first

1291
00:47:21,190 --> 00:47:17,839
blew me away because i'll tell you i can

1292
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:21,200
show you what i thought i thought

1293
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:24,240
it seems that it seems to have a point a

1294
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:26,480
source here and it seems to be coming

1295
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:29,200
out as would maybe water from i don't

1296
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:30,880
know water getting blown up or sprayed

1297
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:32,400
from a can so

1298
00:47:36,309 --> 00:47:34,400
i i considered that there was maybe a

1299
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:36,319
source or a point light and that's as

1300
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:37,760
far as i went with the interference look

1301
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:38,960
what happened then in the weeks

1302
00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:41,040
following it

1303
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:42,800
look on the mountain here vinnie this is

1304
00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:45,119
the big raw shot and i should say all of

1305
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:47,200
these files can be supplied in one of

1306
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:48,960
your link tree things so the raw images

1307
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:50,480
are there so anyone can have a look at

1308
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:51,359
these

1309
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:53,920
that there was taken 2 31 in the morning

1310
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:55,760
and in the photograph you see a tiny

1311
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:57,839
prick of light on the hill but when you

1312
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:00,160
zoom into again you see this bizarre

1313
00:48:05,589 --> 00:48:02,880
light phenomenon that matches the

1314
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:05,599
traditional 400 years reports of the

1315
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:08,079
dancing lights of tabio they were

1316
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,319
regarded talked about as blue and red

1317
00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:12,480
and green spheres and

1318
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:14,319
i'm not going to say the word orb i hate

1319
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:16,800
that word orb is another generalism that

1320
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:18,480
just gets you know where

1321
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:21,359
they're seeing manifestations of a light

1322
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:23,920
phenomena maybe more than one and look

1323
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:26,720
what happens over the following weeks

1324
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:29,359
i start to photograph

1325
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:31,359
all sorts of light phenomena look at

1326
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:37,990
it's not like a spherical

1327
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:41,040
i hate to say it orb but it's you know

1328
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:42,480
it's

1329
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:43,920
yeah

1330
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:46,000
so what's really cool again with this

1331
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:49,200
one is if you turn that one round it

1332
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:50,960
looks like a desk let's be honest it's

1333
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:52,559
got a point on the top if you can

1334
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:54,160
imagine it looks like a

1335
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:56,640
your classic archetypal ufo shape

1336
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:58,079
however

1337
00:49:02,390 --> 00:49:00,480
when i show that again to people from an

1338
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:02,400
older world

1339
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:03,760
from the indigenous communities the

1340
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:06,559
interpretation is this

1341
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:10,240
in the 1700s they called the the light

1342
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:16,950
lit little houses when you turn that

1343
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:18,720
around it looks like a little moist a

1344
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:20,079
house

1345
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:22,640
and if i can dare bring in mick west for

1346
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:24,960
a moment he said something i do i keep

1347
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:26,720
attracting the fellow does i find it

1348
00:49:29,910 --> 00:49:28,000
exceptionally informative and

1349
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:29,920
educational is the truth and one of the

1350
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:32,160
things that i found from them saying

1351
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:33,599
once was that

1352
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:35,920
the shape of a ufo word the sh this

1353
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:38,000
shape is archetypal within indigenous

1354
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:40,240
communities and it is

1355
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:42,240
and they actually called the light on

1356
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:44,240
the mountain licorice which is little

1357
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:46,079
glowing little houses

1358
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:47,040
now

1359
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:53,680
the name came from this that this is

1360
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:55,839
interpreted in some ways a house

1361
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:58,400
but can you i can i'm starting to see

1362
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:59,760
when i look at these last couple of

1363
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:00,880
pictures

1364
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:03,599
why so many people report seeing ufos

1365
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:06,319
can't you see vinnie yeah

1366
00:50:11,829 --> 00:50:08,640
people are all around the mountain like

1367
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:11,839
let's give you 2008 had 70 reports from

1368
00:50:15,430 --> 00:50:13,839
the valley independent we're going to go

1369
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:15,440
into some of these but there are some

1370
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:17,520
times in the 80s there were hundreds of

1371
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:19,359
reports and it's this this light

1372
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:20,559
phenomenon

1373
00:50:24,829 --> 00:50:22,880
so moving on there's another absolute

1374
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:24,839
corker and a different part of the

1375
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:27,760
mountain and um this one when you go

1376
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:29,280
into it appears to be on top of the

1377
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:30,880
trees a lot of them manifest with the

1378
00:50:34,549 --> 00:50:33,040
rock faces are this one appeared on the

1379
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:34,559
top of the trees

1380
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:37,440
and again anybody who's into such things

1381
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:39,200
as

1382
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:41,680
orbs and um

1383
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:43,200
here's the thing right let me tell you

1384
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:44,400
the

1385
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:49,920
is because

1386
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:51,599
almost everybody that believes in the

1387
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:54,480
ufo phenomenon in colombia believes

1388
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:57,040
that that this isn't an inter dimension

1389
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:59,520
an internet phenomenon that this isn't

1390
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:01,280
interdimensional phenomenon this whole

1391
00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:02,800
thing comes in that people are that you

1392
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:04,480
know since buchika came through from the

1393
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:06,240
place that time forgot

1394
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:08,240
so too do these omnis

1395
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:09,440
and it's

1396
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:11,599
wild if you were to google it don't type

1397
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:12,720
in

1398
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:16,559
you'll see

1399
00:51:21,910 --> 00:51:19,119
it's just it's like um

1400
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:21,920
what randall sham is to the uk or what

1401
00:51:26,549 --> 00:51:24,240
rosalind is to america

1402
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:26,559
or what ariel is to south america south

1403
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:27,920
africa it says

1404
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:29,440
so you've got this thing at all and

1405
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:30,640
people are seeing these lights and

1406
00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:32,400
report them as interdimensional beings

1407
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:33,440
finney

1408
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:36,559
what is that

1409
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:38,640
yeah

1410
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:41,040
again look at the little left it's so

1411
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:42,960
spooky i remember i'm outside with my

1412
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:46,319
camera and this is clicking off

1413
00:51:48,829 --> 00:51:47,920
how long are they there for and do they

1414
00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:48,839
move

1415
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:51,520
ever yes

1416
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:53,440
they move they

1417
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:55,680
move

1418
00:52:00,390 --> 00:51:57,760
generally along here the root of the

1419
00:52:02,069 --> 00:52:00,400
loss of knees this is ufo root

1420
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:02,079
and this here

1421
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:04,720
these are two lights now you can imagine

1422
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:08,640
i posted them through uap columbia big

1423
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:10,800
uap research group which are involved in

1424
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:12,800
they published lots of art stuff

1425
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:19,910
hikers torches

1426
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:22,079
big question mark hiker's torches think

1427
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:24,160
about it look with them look where i'm

1428
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:26,160
photographing this in the mountain

1429
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:28,079
would they be up here be up there at

1430
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:30,800
that time of night

1431
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:32,400
guess what

1432
00:52:36,230 --> 00:52:35,440
i go i go hikers torches and i get torn

1433
00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:36,240
down

1434
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:38,480
i i thought i'd never had a friend left

1435
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:41,680
by even suggesting such a thing because

1436
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:43,760
they're quite clearly i mean look look

1437
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:46,000
at the shape of them look at that if you

1438
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:48,000
were into spiritualism or into any of

1439
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:48,960
these

1440
00:52:54,549 --> 00:52:51,760
um more esoteric fields of research what

1441
00:52:56,750 --> 00:52:54,559
you're looking at here is

1442
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:56,760
the the evidence for some kind of

1443
00:53:01,829 --> 00:52:59,760
spiritual contact i mean look at them

1444
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:01,839
however i suggested

1445
00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:04,160
torches and it just didn't go down good

1446
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:05,920
vinny here's the one just two just

1447
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:07,440
before you jump into that one i just

1448
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:09,280
want to say a shout out to laura sosa

1449
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:11,040
for the five dollars on the question

1450
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:12,720
i've noted down your question and we'll

1451
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:14,559
get to that and i just didn't want to

1452
00:53:18,549 --> 00:53:16,800
break up the presentation too much but

1453
00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:18,559
we're gonna have a kind of almost a

1454
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:21,280
midway break for two minutes in a bit

1455
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:23,280
and then we can ask the question but i

1456
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:24,480
just want to say thank you laura because

1457
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:27,200
these get lost on my feed so we will get

1458
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:28,559
to your question

1459
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:30,800
sorry ash please carry on

1460
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:32,400
yeah so so

1461
00:53:35,109 --> 00:53:33,760
you know we've got lots of people

1462
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:35,119
looking at these things now showing

1463
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:37,040
around the internet and there's just no

1464
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:38,640
space for the torch theory or anything

1465
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:39,599
else but we're gonna come back to all

1466
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:40,480
that

1467
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:42,480
because you know after something's been

1468
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:45,200
reported for this 400 years and it's

1469
00:53:49,589 --> 00:53:47,920
so ingrained here within everybody you

1470
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:49,599
speak to and here's the interesting

1471
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:51,359
thing we asked the girl at the shop who

1472
00:53:55,589 --> 00:53:53,040
lives across there with her family and

1473
00:53:59,430 --> 00:53:55,599
do they ever see the lights on waika

1474
00:54:02,630 --> 00:53:59,440
and her answer was this immediately

1475
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:02,640
sandwiched thomas to hurt saint thomas

1476
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:04,640
and to her it always has been saint

1477
00:54:08,549 --> 00:54:06,960
thomas saint thomas was related with the

1478
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:08,559
coming of rain the changing of the

1479
00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:11,920
season so she genuinely truly believes

1480
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:14,240
it's the the soul of a deceased saint

1481
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:17,040
thomas here to protect the valley at the

1482
00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:18,800
same time as julio the guy that does her

1483
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:20,240
gardening and stuff

1484
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:23,280
he is quite convinced that this

1485
00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:26,640
is chia the goddess of the moon

1486
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:28,480
while alfresio

1487
00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:30,640
alfresio the head of the geological

1488
00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:31,839
department's telling us is

1489
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:34,400
climatological and geological

1490
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:35,760
and then sharma's telling you that it's

1491
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:37,680
none of the above

1492
00:54:42,069 --> 00:54:40,559
what is it that i'm photographing

1493
00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:42,079
we've got a question here we've got a

1494
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:43,599
question here saying vinnie has actually

1495
00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:45,200
ever gone up there

1496
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:47,599
ah here four slides ahead we're coming

1497
00:54:55,589 --> 00:54:49,119
there

1498
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:57,190
let me show you what happens after this

1499
00:55:02,470 --> 00:54:59,440
get another one this is great this looks

1500
00:55:04,309 --> 00:55:02,480
like um what does that look like

1501
00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:04,319
what does that look like to you

1502
00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:06,640
the thing is if everything is different

1503
00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:07,920
all the ones you show me they're all

1504
00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:10,240
slightly different in shape and that so

1505
00:55:14,950 --> 00:55:12,559
that's what's throwing me off a bit

1506
00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:14,960
if it was if it was a geological

1507
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:16,640
phenomena

1508
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:19,200
i'd expect it to resemble

1509
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:21,599
maybe the same shape in different sizes

1510
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:23,040
and things

1511
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:24,960
yeah shapes the shapes are actually

1512
00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:27,280
quite different

1513
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:29,359
yeah i don't know i don't know i've like

1514
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:31,599
you said earlier i'm coming from this

1515
00:55:36,549 --> 00:55:33,920
ufo subject so everything comes straight

1516
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:36,559
to my mind of ufo related

1517
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:38,880
so i'm kind of you know biased to a

1518
00:55:41,589 --> 00:55:40,480
certain degree

1519
00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:41,599
while

1520
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:43,680
these images i'm showing you match

1521
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:46,319
descriptions traditional of the dancing

1522
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:49,200
lights of waika yeah

1523
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:49,450
the

1524
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:51,839
[Music]

1525
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:53,440
the the thing we've got a problem here

1526
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:55,680
with the ufo theory is

1527
00:55:59,670 --> 00:55:57,280
none of them

1528
00:56:01,589 --> 00:55:59,680
are off the hill line they're all within

1529
00:56:04,950 --> 00:56:01,599
the bounds of the trees

1530
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:04,960
and they're not so far below hence this

1531
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:07,440
underlined theory i've got and i'm going

1532
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:09,680
to call it the hiker theory however i'm

1533
00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:11,119
not going to disregard the phenomenon

1534
00:56:14,789 --> 00:56:12,880
let me just move on

1535
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:14,799
this was probably

1536
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:16,799
the most alluring shot i took and this

1537
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:18,480
was recent this was just a few couple of

1538
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:19,760
a few months ago

1539
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:21,599
that happened there at 1 25 in the

1540
00:56:24,549 --> 00:56:23,119
morning vinnie look at that

1541
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:24,559
yeah that looks to me a bit more like

1542
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:26,559
something i've seen before in let's say

1543
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:28,319
norway

1544
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:30,640
right smiling

1545
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:34,079
it is really starting to resemble that

1546
00:56:37,990 --> 00:56:36,000
and this is interesting because again

1547
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:38,000
this is where most of the occurrences

1548
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:40,240
manifest and this will show you what's

1549
00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:42,559
up there soon however

1550
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:44,000
this is really interesting because there

1551
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:46,559
seems to be three light sources

1552
00:56:50,470 --> 00:56:48,400
matching again traditional descriptions

1553
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:50,480
of the dancing lights

1554
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:51,359
but

1555
00:56:55,990 --> 00:56:53,040
people are reporting these as ufos

1556
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:56,000
because we saw on ufos worldwide and on

1557
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:57,599
two or three of the under instagram

1558
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:58,559
sites

1559
00:57:01,510 --> 00:57:00,640
after we posted this this was reshared

1560
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:01,520
as

1561
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:03,839
the evidence you know at ufo hot spot

1562
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:05,760
colombia however

1563
00:57:10,390 --> 00:57:07,760
i'm still not sold on that but look at

1564
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:10,400
this this is something i was absolutely

1565
00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:12,240
over the moon with any photographer out

1566
00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:13,839
there will know why

1567
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:16,000
this was a half second shot and what we

1568
00:57:19,829 --> 00:57:17,760
had a few people saying was that we were

1569
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:19,839
maybe catching stars sitting behind the

1570
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:21,520
mountains that were shining through the

1571
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:24,240
trees great idea do you know what i mean

1572
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:25,440
the stars are sitting behind the

1573
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:26,400
mountain

1574
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:28,640
so i'm photographing stars through the

1575
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:29,440
trees

1576
00:57:32,789 --> 00:57:31,119
venus would be the only star that could

1577
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:32,799
perhaps shine through the trees so what

1578
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:35,280
i did was i set out to do this and

1579
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:36,640
i thought

1580
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:38,640
i'm going to set the camera up this

1581
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:40,319
night we saw the phenomenon this was

1582
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:42,160
going for about half an hour this night

1583
00:57:47,109 --> 00:57:44,480
at the tip of the mountain there so i

1584
00:57:48,390 --> 00:57:47,119
set up that i could get venus in shot in

1585
00:57:50,549 --> 00:57:48,400
frame as well

1586
00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:50,559
right this was so this is venus in frame

1587
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:52,319
at the same time as the light has gone

1588
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:53,520
off

1589
00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:54,559
and

1590
00:57:58,549 --> 00:57:56,000
this is what's great about this whole

1591
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:58,559
thing look at this this is recent look

1592
00:58:01,270 --> 00:58:00,000
at that

1593
00:58:02,950 --> 00:58:01,280
i'm getting a lot of questions saying

1594
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:02,960
have you been up there at night to try

1595
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:05,680
and be in those spots

1596
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:07,680
so as they happen that's a really

1597
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:10,000
interesting question this here

1598
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:12,240
is where we come to stalin vinnie let me

1599
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:14,240
just quickly run look at these

1600
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:16,000
comparisons i recognize the one on the

1601
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:17,040
right

1602
00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:19,200
so you just had darling strang was it on

1603
00:58:21,349 --> 00:58:20,240
yes

1604
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:21,359
ago

1605
00:58:25,510 --> 00:58:23,280
okay so here's the date this is now so

1606
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:25,520
there's people you know

1607
00:58:28,470 --> 00:58:27,040
that a lot of people have got relief

1608
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:28,480
because we're coming to this historic

1609
00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:29,920
formula but there's also a lot of people

1610
00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:31,760
pulling their hair out just now who just

1611
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:33,200
have nothing to do with this darwin

1612
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:34,480
phenomenon

1613
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:36,559
for lots of reasons however here's the

1614
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:38,480
thing

1615
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:40,960
visually the phenomenon are the same as

1616
00:58:44,710 --> 00:58:43,200
what i am photographing on lopez de

1617
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:44,720
white in colombia

1618
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:47,040
and what has been put out by project

1619
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:53,430
i i i've just recently countered

1620
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:55,359
my own argument that this could be a

1621
00:58:58,950 --> 00:58:57,520
torch phenomenon i need you to see this

1622
00:59:01,349 --> 00:58:58,960
look what we shot

1623
00:59:02,470 --> 00:59:01,359
yeah whoa wait that's the same speed

1624
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:02,480
like

1625
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:04,640
five seconds or a half second shot

1626
00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:05,839
you've got it

1627
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:08,240
0.5 seconds look at it

1628
00:59:14,309 --> 00:59:11,920
this is our first off the mountain shot

1629
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:14,319
and this is when so this is somewhere

1630
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:15,839
for us to go this is something that

1631
00:59:20,789 --> 00:59:18,799
people will relate to i've seen all

1632
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:20,799
these lights photographing lights this

1633
00:59:24,870 --> 00:59:22,480
was actually back at the start i took

1634
00:59:26,309 --> 00:59:24,880
this very soon into me photographing the

1635
00:59:27,190 --> 00:59:26,319
first ones vinnie

1636
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:27,200
so

1637
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:29,520
here's me out there photographing

1638
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:31,680
lights on the mountain

1639
00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:34,240
i am absorb i've just built a house here

1640
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:36,240
i'm living in it every night i've got my

1641
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:38,880
six layers on i put my hot water bottle

1642
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:40,319
down my front

1643
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:42,000
and i get out there and i'm seeing all

1644
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:43,599
these lights flashing and blinking at

1645
00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:46,480
the top and then this happens

1646
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:48,960
do you know how hard it was to not

1647
00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:51,920
immediately convert to become i was

1648
00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:54,720
going to become like a lazar disciple

1649
00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:55,920
picture

1650
01:00:02,470 --> 00:59:59,359
won a car bell in the spare bathroom you

1651
01:00:04,069 --> 01:00:02,480
know i was like i've seen this i have

1652
01:00:06,789 --> 01:00:04,079
now seen

1653
01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:06,799
a red flashing light phenomenon take off

1654
01:00:10,870 --> 01:00:08,799
from la pena to waka

1655
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:10,880
i lived with us for quite some time and

1656
01:00:16,470 --> 01:00:11,920
so

1657
01:00:18,309 --> 01:00:16,480
send it up to walter in america who's a

1658
01:00:19,990 --> 01:00:18,319
remote technology visualization

1659
01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:20,000
scientist he

1660
01:00:23,510 --> 01:00:21,920
looks at satellite and drone photographs

1661
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:23,520
for a living and makes some pretty big

1662
01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:24,720
calls

1663
01:00:29,670 --> 01:00:28,000
on those images and he looked at this

1664
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:29,680
and he said he gave it to a guy that

1665
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:31,440
sits behind him

1666
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:33,760
and he said it's a drone

1667
01:00:36,549 --> 01:00:35,599
right i was quite i was quite annoyed

1668
01:00:39,270 --> 01:00:36,559
vinny

1669
01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:39,280
i was like how dare you take my uf4 away

1670
01:00:43,589 --> 01:00:41,359
from me

1671
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:43,599
like really come on can you not be

1672
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:45,599
better than that so i started throwing

1673
01:00:48,789 --> 01:00:47,599
the arguments in like right so we got

1674
01:00:50,309 --> 01:00:48,799
half a second

1675
01:00:52,390 --> 01:00:50,319
calculated it

1676
01:00:54,390 --> 01:00:52,400
must have covered maybe i think we

1677
01:00:56,710 --> 01:00:54,400
worked out about 40 meters 50 meters in

1678
01:00:58,069 --> 01:00:56,720
the air and a half second we sent it to

1679
01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:58,079
him and he worked out the speed and said

1680
01:01:01,990 --> 01:01:00,000
it's not beyond the drone

1681
01:01:05,270 --> 01:01:02,000
right because there was double double

1682
01:01:07,030 --> 01:01:05,280
pings of lights however he did say this

1683
01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:07,040
he said they can work they've worked out

1684
01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:09,599
that it was a really really big

1685
01:01:13,510 --> 01:01:11,599
non-consumer drone

1686
01:01:15,030 --> 01:01:13,520
okay so

1687
01:01:17,670 --> 01:01:15,040
ufo

1688
01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:17,680
mysterious live phenomenon non-consumer

1689
01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:20,400
drone this is the best i mean i cannot

1690
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:22,400
tell you happy i was we've got that

1691
01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:25,440
first door front door key vinny and the

1692
01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:28,160
skies just started going alive you know

1693
01:01:30,470 --> 01:01:28,960
so

1694
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:30,480
here for months i was on this and i'm

1695
01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:31,440
gonna

1696
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:33,280
take this all back down to earth because

1697
01:01:36,710 --> 01:01:35,040
look what was announced

1698
01:01:38,710 --> 01:01:36,720
all two weeks ago

1699
01:01:40,789 --> 01:01:38,720
the colombian

1700
01:01:43,349 --> 01:01:40,799
air force announced a development

1701
01:01:46,710 --> 01:01:43,359
program with the american military for

1702
01:01:48,390 --> 01:01:46,720
arctic and badger which is a large uav

1703
01:01:50,470 --> 01:01:48,400
an unmanned drone

1704
01:01:53,030 --> 01:01:50,480
and you're not going to believe this

1705
01:01:55,109 --> 01:01:53,040
they tested it at the start of the year

1706
01:01:57,910 --> 01:01:55,119
when i filmed those lights

1707
01:02:00,069 --> 01:01:57,920
they published this map when on their

1708
01:02:01,750 --> 01:02:00,079
instagram post which shows the sabana

1709
01:02:03,349 --> 01:02:01,760
and it shows the red drops of the drone

1710
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:03,359
and it goes over the top le pena de

1711
01:02:07,829 --> 01:02:04,720
weica

1712
01:02:11,190 --> 01:02:07,839
i photographed an advanced unreleased

1713
01:02:13,349 --> 01:02:11,200
drone been tested over the savannah just

1714
01:02:15,910 --> 01:02:13,359
outside the city limits of bogota just

1715
01:02:18,789 --> 01:02:15,920
away from el dorado airport so once

1716
01:02:21,670 --> 01:02:18,799
again ufo research leads to some pretty

1717
01:02:23,029 --> 01:02:21,680
brilliant capturing of advanced military

1718
01:02:24,789 --> 01:02:23,039
tech because that's what we think that

1719
01:02:27,029 --> 01:02:24,799
is vinnie

1720
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:27,039
nice that's that's why we need to have

1721
01:02:29,589 --> 01:02:28,079
these

1722
01:02:31,670 --> 01:02:29,599
things looked into the way you've done

1723
01:02:33,190 --> 01:02:31,680
that that's incredible only because what

1724
01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:33,200
it does is add to the mystery so not

1725
01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:35,200
only do we have a perhaps

1726
01:02:41,349 --> 01:02:37,680
a mysterious light phenomenon which is

1727
01:02:43,430 --> 01:02:41,359
either geological or otherwise but now

1728
01:02:45,670 --> 01:02:43,440
in the valley we've got

1729
01:02:47,349 --> 01:02:45,680
military drones being flown about doing

1730
01:02:49,109 --> 01:02:47,359
wrong sorts

1731
01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:49,119
so the big question

1732
01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:52,240
what's up there yeah

1733
01:02:56,150 --> 01:02:54,880
so my friend walter did this for me let

1734
01:02:58,150 --> 01:02:56,160
me show you this

1735
01:03:00,230 --> 01:02:58,160
i sent him the light and he just did

1736
01:03:02,870 --> 01:03:00,240
this really simple overlay to show me

1737
01:03:04,710 --> 01:03:02,880
exactly where on the mountain that first

1738
01:03:06,390 --> 01:03:04,720
sighting was made

1739
01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:06,400
and it's a site

1740
01:03:10,630 --> 01:03:08,480
famously known as the mirador which

1741
01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:10,640
represents the highest point in camden

1742
01:03:13,589 --> 01:03:11,760
america

1743
01:03:19,029 --> 01:03:13,599
and at that site

1744
01:03:23,829 --> 01:03:20,470
that's the light

1745
01:03:24,950 --> 01:03:23,839
look at that the light occurs

1746
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:24,960
there

1747
01:03:29,510 --> 01:03:27,839
now here's from where

1748
01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:29,520
right let me show you

1749
01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:31,440
we are photographing it from distance

1750
01:03:36,390 --> 01:03:34,000
the light seems to occur

1751
01:03:38,870 --> 01:03:36,400
here above these stones these three

1752
01:03:40,549 --> 01:03:38,880
stones it seems to occur right there and

1753
01:03:42,789 --> 01:03:40,559
also higher up

1754
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:42,799
here so look

1755
01:03:47,510 --> 01:03:44,640
back to my original

1756
01:03:50,549 --> 01:03:47,520
down to earth take on this this is a

1757
01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:50,559
really old path that terminates at the

1758
01:03:56,950 --> 01:03:53,760
mirador this is hikers with torches

1759
01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:56,960
falling climbing swinging moving and

1760
01:04:00,710 --> 01:03:58,799
photographing them sometimes two

1761
01:04:02,549 --> 01:04:00,720
together sometimes

1762
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:02,559
then wait for this

1763
01:04:08,470 --> 01:04:04,319
see when they released

1764
01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:08,480
the notification for art combadger

1765
01:04:12,789 --> 01:04:11,280
the drone program right

1766
01:04:15,190 --> 01:04:12,799
they also announced that the mountain

1767
01:04:17,109 --> 01:04:15,200
had been closed for the last year from

1768
01:04:18,789 --> 01:04:17,119
all access roads to the police because

1769
01:04:20,309 --> 01:04:18,799
they were testing our combation on the

1770
01:04:22,710 --> 01:04:20,319
range and

1771
01:04:25,109 --> 01:04:22,720
there was two robberies last year the

1772
01:04:27,990 --> 01:04:25,119
mountains not been open for 11 months

1773
01:04:29,430 --> 01:04:28,000
those were no hikers

1774
01:04:31,750 --> 01:04:29,440
no

1775
01:04:33,589 --> 01:04:31,760
this is going up down and everywhere

1776
01:04:34,710 --> 01:04:33,599
this i'm

1777
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:34,720
yeah wow

1778
01:04:37,750 --> 01:04:36,480
this needs further investigation

1779
01:04:41,270 --> 01:04:37,760
obviously

1780
01:04:42,230 --> 01:04:41,280
indeed sir so i get up there look at

1781
01:04:44,470 --> 01:04:42,240
this

1782
01:04:47,829 --> 01:04:44,480
nice where we see the light manifest i

1783
01:04:48,870 --> 01:04:47,839
find these this this this is a 10 meter

1784
01:04:49,750 --> 01:04:48,880
deep

1785
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:49,760
man

1786
01:04:53,190 --> 01:04:51,359
handmade

1787
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:53,200
shaft that's dug into the mountain here

1788
01:04:57,589 --> 01:04:54,960
that leads into

1789
01:05:00,950 --> 01:04:57,599
a tunnel so here is where the story

1790
01:05:05,109 --> 01:05:03,430
well we have a thing in columbia called

1791
01:05:12,549 --> 01:05:05,119
wakaros

1792
01:05:13,510 --> 01:05:12,559
juaqueros have a union of 15 000 men

1793
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:13,520
that are

1794
01:05:16,710 --> 01:05:15,119
thoroughly wired into the narco

1795
01:05:18,789 --> 01:05:16,720
traffickers here

1796
01:05:20,710 --> 01:05:18,799
while lots of people love narcos and

1797
01:05:22,710 --> 01:05:20,720
netflix trust me

1798
01:05:24,390 --> 01:05:22,720
it is [\h__\h] it represents a really

1799
01:05:27,029 --> 01:05:24,400
terrible part of colombia

1800
01:05:30,069 --> 01:05:27,039
and the guacaros are on the front end of

1801
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:30,079
that whole system let me explain

1802
01:05:34,390 --> 01:05:32,400
the temples i talk of the temple of the

1803
01:05:35,430 --> 01:05:34,400
moon while we go out and get private

1804
01:05:38,789 --> 01:05:35,440
permission

1805
01:05:41,270 --> 01:05:38,799
dig up treasures figurines these guys go

1806
01:05:43,750 --> 01:05:41,280
out sometimes a thousand strong

1807
01:05:47,430 --> 01:05:43,760
they kidnap landowners you tie them up

1808
01:05:49,270 --> 01:05:47,440
for a week they excavate and explode all

1809
01:05:52,789 --> 01:05:49,280
of the indigenous burial sites and take

1810
01:05:54,710 --> 01:05:52,799
away tonnages of gold every night of the

1811
01:05:55,990 --> 01:05:54,720
week that's exported onto the black

1812
01:05:58,150 --> 01:05:56,000
markets

1813
01:06:00,150 --> 01:05:58,160
listen to this

1814
01:06:01,829 --> 01:06:00,160
for hundreds of years

1815
01:06:05,670 --> 01:06:01,839
guacaros

1816
01:06:08,069 --> 01:06:05,680
are indige are led by indigenous shaman

1817
01:06:11,270 --> 01:06:08,079
though shaman claim to see where

1818
01:06:13,270 --> 01:06:11,280
treasures is buried by following

1819
01:06:15,589 --> 01:06:13,280
the lights

1820
01:06:18,150 --> 01:06:15,599
the google this the whole

1821
01:06:21,190 --> 01:06:18,160
system for the guakerus is we can go out

1822
01:06:23,589 --> 01:06:21,200
at night and we follow mysterious light

1823
01:06:24,870 --> 01:06:23,599
phenomenon because that is where the

1824
01:06:27,270 --> 01:06:24,880
indigenous

1825
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:27,280
royal graves are to be found and they

1826
01:06:30,549 --> 01:06:29,680
find hundreds of tons

1827
01:06:32,870 --> 01:06:30,559
so

1828
01:06:33,750 --> 01:06:32,880
here's my thinking

1829
01:06:36,069 --> 01:06:33,760
if

1830
01:06:38,230 --> 01:06:36,079
it is the case that some because we're

1831
01:06:40,230 --> 01:06:38,240
in the high andes play we've got serious

1832
01:06:41,670 --> 01:06:40,240
tectonic and geological movement here

1833
01:06:44,069 --> 01:06:41,680
i've had two trembles since i've been

1834
01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:44,079
here in five years

1835
01:06:49,190 --> 01:06:47,280
if they go karos if there was a light

1836
01:06:50,950 --> 01:06:49,200
phenomenon that occurs here in the andes

1837
01:06:53,430 --> 01:06:50,960
and perhaps the indigenous cultures

1838
01:06:56,549 --> 01:06:53,440
chose to bury their kings and their

1839
01:06:58,870 --> 01:06:56,559
their elites on these sites

1840
01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:58,880
that would explain why today

1841
01:07:02,230 --> 01:07:00,400
guakero can say

1842
01:07:04,710 --> 01:07:02,240
there's lights glowing

1843
01:07:08,870 --> 01:07:04,720
dig there and they find these treasures

1844
01:07:12,230 --> 01:07:10,069
what if

1845
01:07:15,029 --> 01:07:12,240
the guacaros through traditions and

1846
01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:15,039
through ancestral knowledge no

1847
01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:17,200
in a field or on a hill where mud has

1848
01:07:21,190 --> 01:07:19,200
been turned where there's a depression

1849
01:07:23,029 --> 01:07:21,200
and they can look there and go

1850
01:07:24,230 --> 01:07:23,039
seeing the lights dig over there you

1851
01:07:25,029 --> 01:07:24,240
know what i mean

1852
01:07:27,190 --> 01:07:25,039
yeah

1853
01:07:29,430 --> 01:07:27,200
and we've got a question here infinity

1854
01:07:31,589 --> 01:07:29,440
center raises a good point saying

1855
01:07:33,190 --> 01:07:31,599
if you got up there afterwards what

1856
01:07:35,670 --> 01:07:33,200
makes you think others can't have got up

1857
01:07:37,589 --> 01:07:35,680
there even if the mountain was closed

1858
01:07:39,910 --> 01:07:37,599
could be

1859
01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:39,920
100 we know there's hikers up there

1860
01:07:44,069 --> 01:07:41,680
traditionally that have come up and

1861
01:07:45,910 --> 01:07:44,079
would if the mountain wasn't closed

1862
01:07:48,390 --> 01:07:45,920
absolutely there could be hikers up

1863
01:07:50,069 --> 01:07:48,400
there that this is the thing however the

1864
01:07:51,510 --> 01:07:50,079
mountains being close so what i got to

1865
01:07:53,109 --> 01:07:51,520
suspect was

1866
01:07:55,029 --> 01:07:53,119
what if we're seeing these what keros

1867
01:07:56,789 --> 01:07:55,039
that are up there looking for

1868
01:07:58,390 --> 01:07:56,799
the same temples that we're looking for

1869
01:08:00,630 --> 01:07:58,400
i'm doing mine in an archaeological

1870
01:08:03,750 --> 01:08:00,640
context they're looking to

1871
01:08:05,589 --> 01:08:03,760
to take the thing out so everybody

1872
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:05,599
what we've got

1873
01:08:09,510 --> 01:08:07,440
are bizarre lights

1874
01:08:13,029 --> 01:08:09,520
we've got a whole valley of people

1875
01:08:14,470 --> 01:08:13,039
spotted ufos and reported ufos

1876
01:08:18,470 --> 01:08:14,480
we have

1877
01:08:20,709 --> 01:08:18,480
the mountain raid in it

1878
01:08:22,390 --> 01:08:20,719
we could be hikers could be kids smoking

1879
01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:22,400
joints drinking beer

1880
01:08:26,309 --> 01:08:24,640
we don't know

1881
01:08:29,829 --> 01:08:26,319
however

1882
01:08:32,789 --> 01:08:29,839
so far as the scientists are concerned

1883
01:08:35,269 --> 01:08:32,799
the andes lights is a phenomenon that

1884
01:08:37,669 --> 01:08:35,279
walter gottfried nosh he was a he was a

1885
01:08:40,309 --> 01:08:37,679
german scientist who worked chile

1886
01:08:42,630 --> 01:08:40,319
and he identified a corona type light he

1887
01:08:45,269 --> 01:08:42,640
spotted balls of light 300 miles out to

1888
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:45,279
sea and he termed at the andes lights

1889
01:08:49,030 --> 01:08:46,080
now

1890
01:08:49,990 --> 01:08:49,040
the andes lights he believed occurred

1891
01:08:52,870 --> 01:08:50,000
at

1892
01:08:55,910 --> 01:08:52,880
an altitude of ten thousand feet

1893
01:08:56,870 --> 01:08:55,920
exactly where waka is on the andean

1894
01:08:59,349 --> 01:08:56,880
crest

1895
01:09:01,910 --> 01:08:59,359
in highly magnetic areas and he said

1896
01:09:04,229 --> 01:09:01,920
where normal thunderstorms are not

1897
01:09:06,070 --> 01:09:04,239
normal so

1898
01:09:07,590 --> 01:09:06,080
have we pinpointed what we're seeing

1899
01:09:10,070 --> 01:09:07,600
here these andean lights that are

1900
01:09:13,110 --> 01:09:10,080
interpreted as spirits and gods for

1901
01:09:15,189 --> 01:09:13,120
hundreds of years and now it's ufos

1902
01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:15,199
um this idea was supported by william

1903
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:17,440
jackson humphreys he was an american

1904
01:09:21,749 --> 01:09:20,400
physicist who presented the brown brown

1905
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:21,759
mountain light phenomenon in the

1906
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:24,640
american appalachians as

1907
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:26,799
the an andean light phenomenon however

1908
01:09:30,070 --> 01:09:28,560
he was shot down

1909
01:09:31,990 --> 01:09:30,080
we're going to go on to that the brown

1910
01:09:34,709 --> 01:09:32,000
mountain lights are very similar to the

1911
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:34,719
hestalim phenomenon whereby

1912
01:09:39,189 --> 01:09:37,040
they get reported as um

1913
01:09:40,789 --> 01:09:39,199
they're in multiple or they're multiple

1914
01:09:42,229 --> 01:09:40,799
um

1915
01:09:43,910 --> 01:09:42,239
connotations of light form you'll see

1916
01:09:45,749 --> 01:09:43,920
them coming from left to right different

1917
01:09:47,590 --> 01:09:45,759
altitudes different heights they appear

1918
01:09:49,590 --> 01:09:47,600
within the ground at ground level and in

1919
01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:49,600
the sky however

1920
01:09:53,990 --> 01:09:52,080
15 scientific studies on the brown

1921
01:09:55,830 --> 01:09:54,000
mountain light phenomenon in the last 90

1922
01:09:57,350 --> 01:09:55,840
years have said no

1923
01:09:59,990 --> 01:09:57,360
these are

1924
01:10:01,110 --> 01:10:00,000
terrestrial misinterpretations hikers

1925
01:10:02,790 --> 01:10:01,120
lights

1926
01:10:04,790 --> 01:10:02,800
and all sorts however

1927
01:10:07,270 --> 01:10:04,800
daniel b canton professor of physics and

1928
01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:07,280
astronomy at the appalachian

1929
01:10:12,310 --> 01:10:10,320
university there in 2018 finally filmed

1930
01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:12,320
the brown mountain phenomenon kind of

1931
01:10:15,350 --> 01:10:13,920
gave it the academic robber stamp

1932
01:10:16,950 --> 01:10:15,360
however people choose their science

1933
01:10:18,870 --> 01:10:16,960
today they choose to believe these

1934
01:10:20,950 --> 01:10:18,880
things or not however it doesn't really

1935
01:10:23,430 --> 01:10:20,960
matter because

1936
01:10:25,350 --> 01:10:23,440
what we're going to do

1937
01:10:27,830 --> 01:10:25,360
what with this we're going to come to

1938
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:27,840
the project now let me just quick oh

1939
01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:30,880
we're going to come to the project

1940
01:10:34,630 --> 01:10:32,960
we're going to try and take

1941
01:10:36,149 --> 01:10:34,640
all of these things that we've talked

1942
01:10:36,790 --> 01:10:36,159
about right

1943
01:10:38,550 --> 01:10:36,800
and

1944
01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:38,560
right bad science is starting with a

1945
01:10:41,189 --> 01:10:39,840
conclusion

1946
01:10:43,189 --> 01:10:41,199
and then looking for the evidence like

1947
01:10:45,110 --> 01:10:43,199
we can't say

1948
01:10:47,590 --> 01:10:45,120
these are ufos

1949
01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:47,600
let's find out which type they are

1950
01:10:53,430 --> 01:10:51,120
i think we have to start by saying

1951
01:10:55,030 --> 01:10:53,440
these are most probably hikers or people

1952
01:10:56,229 --> 01:10:55,040
with torches

1953
01:11:00,709 --> 01:10:56,239
what else

1954
01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:00,719
could they be right yeah yeah yeah

1955
01:11:04,709 --> 01:11:02,719
and to do that we need people infinitely

1956
01:11:06,310 --> 01:11:04,719
wiser than me so

1957
01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:06,320
it came to me to put this project

1958
01:11:11,350 --> 01:11:08,880
together and and there i'm just going to

1959
01:11:13,189 --> 01:11:11,360
stop and hand the thing back over to you

1960
01:11:15,350 --> 01:11:13,199
for a minute see what you got to see

1961
01:11:17,270 --> 01:11:15,360
well i'm

1962
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:17,280
i brought us back on screen

1963
01:11:22,550 --> 01:11:20,400
um can you see me knows bigger can you i

1964
01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:22,560
can see you yeah i know that you can you

1965
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:23,760
can't see all this because you've got

1966
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:25,520
your presentation up but that first part

1967
01:11:29,830 --> 01:11:28,480
was absolutely fascinating um i think a

1968
01:11:31,669 --> 01:11:29,840
lot of people

1969
01:11:33,910 --> 01:11:31,679
in in the chat from what i can see were

1970
01:11:34,870 --> 01:11:33,920
absolutely mesmerized by it as well and

1971
01:11:40,870 --> 01:11:34,880
that

1972
01:11:42,709 --> 01:11:40,880
this really

1973
01:11:45,189 --> 01:11:42,719
it needs more work it needs some looking

1974
01:11:47,910 --> 01:11:45,199
into it from multiple perspectives as

1975
01:11:49,189 --> 01:11:47,920
well multiple outlooks

1976
01:11:51,350 --> 01:11:49,199
exactly so

1977
01:11:54,630 --> 01:11:51,360
i mean i guess i mean let's jump

1978
01:11:55,830 --> 01:11:54,640
straight back into it shall we cause

1979
01:11:58,550 --> 01:11:55,840
yes indeed

1980
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:58,560
one second sir

1981
01:12:05,750 --> 01:12:02,950
somebody keeps rigging through in this

1982
01:12:08,470 --> 01:12:05,760
computer constant

1983
01:12:09,590 --> 01:12:08,480
sorry if any dude don't worry mate all

1984
01:12:11,990 --> 01:12:09,600
right

1985
01:12:13,510 --> 01:12:12,000
some tribulations of life

1986
01:12:14,790 --> 01:12:13,520
no we're good i just there's this

1987
01:12:16,709 --> 01:12:14,800
ringing that keeps coming through my

1988
01:12:18,310 --> 01:12:16,719
phone seems to be off i have no idea

1989
01:12:22,149 --> 01:12:18,320
where it's coming from

1990
01:12:24,149 --> 01:12:22,159
no it's weird anyway it's maybe the

1991
01:12:25,750 --> 01:12:24,159
hey is this a good point where you can

1992
01:12:28,229 --> 01:12:25,760
show the mountain because we can't quite

1993
01:12:30,070 --> 01:12:28,239
see it yeah look at that and you know

1994
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:30,080
something i keep listening to myself

1995
01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:32,640
going ash would you just shut up

1996
01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:34,320
no no it's good no because i keep

1997
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:35,760
thinking i'm at a party or a wedding

1998
01:12:38,870 --> 01:12:37,199
where you have to listen but i'm not

1999
01:12:41,350 --> 01:12:38,880
it's my [\h__\h] show with you tonight so

2000
01:12:42,950 --> 01:12:41,360
i can keep speaking

2001
01:12:44,630 --> 01:12:42,960
sorry we get banned about square on

2002
01:12:45,910 --> 01:12:44,640
youtube can you see man

2003
01:12:47,430 --> 01:12:45,920
out here

2004
01:12:49,270 --> 01:12:47,440
there she is

2005
01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:49,280
is it in contract focus can you see the

2006
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:51,040
mountain i can see the mountain can

2007
01:12:55,270 --> 01:12:53,440
everyone in the chat see the mountain

2008
01:12:57,510 --> 01:12:55,280
right so this is where i am every night

2009
01:12:59,910 --> 01:12:57,520
with my camera right here

2010
01:13:01,430 --> 01:12:59,920
and we have this full glass fish at 10

2011
01:13:02,950 --> 01:13:01,440
meter glass wall on the front of the

2012
01:13:05,350 --> 01:13:02,960
center we have this big terrace out the

2013
01:13:06,870 --> 01:13:05,360
front and what it allows me to do look

2014
01:13:09,189 --> 01:13:06,880
is just

2015
01:13:10,550 --> 01:13:09,199
snap away all night so

2016
01:13:15,270 --> 01:13:10,560
when

2017
01:13:17,110 --> 01:13:15,280
from about six o'clock keeping my eye

2018
01:13:19,030 --> 01:13:17,120
outside and when i see it go

2019
01:13:20,790 --> 01:13:19,040
press my red button here

2020
01:13:23,110 --> 01:13:20,800
when it puts all the lights off in the

2021
01:13:25,189 --> 01:13:23,120
front of the house and then i turn on

2022
01:13:27,270 --> 01:13:25,199
this ir security light that does this

2023
01:13:29,430 --> 01:13:27,280
really wide pattern of the mountain

2024
01:13:31,590 --> 01:13:29,440
so then i know i've got it in ir

2025
01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:31,600
i know i've got it on the 5d

2026
01:13:36,630 --> 01:13:33,840
on the 600 ml lens

2027
01:13:39,189 --> 01:13:36,640
and i virtually just

2028
01:13:41,430 --> 01:13:39,199
what i do is i do back to back 30 second

2029
01:13:43,270 --> 01:13:41,440
exposure 30 second exposure and i keep

2030
01:13:45,270 --> 01:13:43,280
going and going until it goes off

2031
01:13:46,950 --> 01:13:45,280
so i get to see

2032
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:46,960
in all of its permutations and all of

2033
01:13:51,990 --> 01:13:51,120
its manifestations and and

2034
01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:52,000
i'm not going to tell you what i'm

2035
01:13:56,630 --> 01:13:54,000
convinced of yet i'm not convinced but i

2036
01:13:57,990 --> 01:13:56,640
know a few things that can't be however

2037
01:14:00,630 --> 01:13:58,000
it's um

2038
01:14:02,709 --> 01:14:00,640
i've never learned more about my craft

2039
01:14:04,229 --> 01:14:02,719
photography and filmmaking since

2040
01:14:05,510 --> 01:14:04,239
interacting with this light you've it's

2041
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:05,520
really really difficult to take

2042
01:14:09,910 --> 01:14:07,760
photographs at night as you know

2043
01:14:12,310 --> 01:14:09,920
as we see with the state of ufology if

2044
01:14:15,350 --> 01:14:12,320
you like where it's contaminated with

2045
01:14:16,790 --> 01:14:15,360
just crud you know

2046
01:14:19,350 --> 01:14:16,800
absolutely we have this

2047
01:14:20,390 --> 01:14:19,360
we have the same

2048
01:14:21,750 --> 01:14:20,400
no i'm going to tell you about that

2049
01:14:23,110 --> 01:14:21,760
later i'm back in front did you want me

2050
01:14:24,310 --> 01:14:23,120
to show you this mountain anymore

2051
01:14:25,189 --> 01:14:24,320
because we're about to see a lot more of

2052
01:14:27,830 --> 01:14:25,199
it

2053
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:27,840
um i'm ready for the next part of the uh

2054
01:14:35,430 --> 01:14:33,669
you say it's a bit sketchy all of a

2055
01:14:37,110 --> 01:14:35,440
sudden no no no i've got i've just had

2056
01:14:39,270 --> 01:14:37,120
to remove the presentation on the screen

2057
01:14:40,709 --> 01:14:39,280
so you can get to the first or to the

2058
01:14:43,189 --> 01:14:40,719
next slide

2059
01:14:45,830 --> 01:14:43,199
off camera are you ready

2060
01:14:47,830 --> 01:14:45,840
i'm ready i'm on i'm waiting

2061
01:14:51,430 --> 01:14:47,840
let's go we're on

2062
01:14:55,310 --> 01:14:52,470
so

2063
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:55,320
here is a project called

2064
01:14:59,669 --> 01:14:56,880
phenomenology

2065
01:15:02,229 --> 01:14:59,679
it is a film project

2066
01:15:03,990 --> 01:15:02,239
we are going to film for one week in

2067
01:15:05,669 --> 01:15:04,000
columbia february

2068
01:15:08,310 --> 01:15:05,679
and with that week filming we're going

2069
01:15:10,709 --> 01:15:08,320
to make a series of one short film a

2070
01:15:13,189 --> 01:15:10,719
week for three months

2071
01:15:14,550 --> 01:15:13,199
phenomenology is carefully chosen as a

2072
01:15:16,070 --> 01:15:14,560
title because

2073
01:15:18,310 --> 01:15:16,080
i think the problem

2074
01:15:20,149 --> 01:15:18,320
a huge problem with the ufo community

2075
01:15:22,550 --> 01:15:20,159
just out there i say and i'm so sorry to

2076
01:15:24,149 --> 01:15:22,560
be opinionated on your community but

2077
01:15:27,030 --> 01:15:24,159
they've everyone's jumped in the back of

2078
01:15:28,470 --> 01:15:27,040
that last movie the phenomenon yeah so

2079
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:28,480
then what you've got is

2080
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:30,960
the pentagon report coming out giving

2081
01:15:35,110 --> 01:15:33,360
five clear brackets let's be honest

2082
01:15:36,310 --> 01:15:35,120
starting with bags and balloons getting

2083
01:15:38,390 --> 01:15:36,320
to others

2084
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:38,400
but now what everyone talks about is

2085
01:15:44,310 --> 01:15:41,760
what is this phenomenon as if everything

2086
01:15:48,470 --> 01:15:44,320
that's seen in the sky is one thing and

2087
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:48,480
that's dangerous that is so limiting

2088
01:15:53,669 --> 01:15:51,120
it really is so i think phenomenologies

2089
01:15:55,830 --> 01:15:53,679
and it was chosen because of this

2090
01:15:59,189 --> 01:15:55,840
we're more interested in this film on

2091
01:16:02,229 --> 01:15:59,199
capturing people's approaches

2092
01:16:04,870 --> 01:16:02,239
people's psychological perspective

2093
01:16:07,350 --> 01:16:04,880
someone's interpretation

2094
01:16:08,709 --> 01:16:07,360
what they saw and you know and i think

2095
01:16:10,310 --> 01:16:08,719
that is where

2096
01:16:12,070 --> 01:16:10,320
phenomenology is going to take a stance

2097
01:16:13,750 --> 01:16:12,080
we're not trying to see these are ufos

2098
01:16:16,470 --> 01:16:13,760
and which kind and what is it what we're

2099
01:16:17,990 --> 01:16:16,480
going to do is take together a team of

2100
01:16:20,630 --> 01:16:18,000
people which i'm about to introduce you

2101
01:16:23,110 --> 01:16:20,640
to that are going to approach this

2102
01:16:27,189 --> 01:16:23,120
phenomenon not just my photographs but

2103
01:16:31,669 --> 01:16:27,199
some amazing modern ufo and uap

2104
01:16:35,350 --> 01:16:33,590
seven months ago

2105
01:16:38,630 --> 01:16:35,360
maria alvarez

2106
01:16:40,790 --> 01:16:38,640
a 30 years served

2107
01:16:41,910 --> 01:16:40,800
audiophone specialist in the colombian

2108
01:16:44,310 --> 01:16:41,920
navy

2109
01:16:46,229 --> 01:16:44,320
came forward on a film and said

2110
01:16:49,830 --> 01:16:46,239
i was standing at the base of the cerro

2111
01:16:51,750 --> 01:16:49,840
de waca two years ago in my farm and she

2112
01:16:54,950 --> 01:16:51,760
is on camera saying

2113
01:16:57,189 --> 01:16:54,960
we watched we 13 farmers

2114
01:16:59,110 --> 01:16:57,199
watched tic-tac-shaped ufo circled the

2115
01:17:00,470 --> 01:16:59,120
mountain for 21 minutes

2116
01:17:06,390 --> 01:17:00,480
a tic-tac

2117
01:17:09,030 --> 01:17:06,400
meters not giving off a luminescent

2118
01:17:11,830 --> 01:17:09,040
light but an inward light this is this

2119
01:17:12,790 --> 01:17:11,840
is this is an air force a tic-tac 21

2120
01:17:14,550 --> 01:17:12,800
minutes

2121
01:17:16,550 --> 01:17:14,560
it's different from the flavor this is

2122
01:17:18,709 --> 01:17:16,560
not chad underwear this isn't a dietary

2123
01:17:20,630 --> 01:17:18,719
thing this is 21 minutes

2124
01:17:21,910 --> 01:17:20,640
of a tic tac phenomenon so we're going

2125
01:17:23,030 --> 01:17:21,920
to go out and we're going to go to her

2126
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:23,040
farm and we're going to stand there and

2127
01:17:26,950 --> 01:17:24,960
we're going to look we're going to spend

2128
01:17:27,910 --> 01:17:26,960
some time maybe even a night

2129
01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:27,920
we're going to interview her i'm going

2130
01:17:32,630 --> 01:17:29,280
to ask her what she saw we're going to

2131
01:17:34,630 --> 01:17:32,640
try to figure out what she saw because

2132
01:17:36,470 --> 01:17:34,640
it's one thing saying you saw something

2133
01:17:37,990 --> 01:17:36,480
flash in the sky you heard something go

2134
01:17:39,830 --> 01:17:38,000
bump in the night but

2135
01:17:41,990 --> 01:17:39,840
at such a late stage of your career to

2136
01:17:43,910 --> 01:17:42,000
come away with a wanger like a 21 minute

2137
01:17:46,550 --> 01:17:43,920
tic-tac encounter i think that's

2138
01:17:48,310 --> 01:17:46,560
fascinating i want to see her mind works

2139
01:17:50,550 --> 01:17:48,320
i want to see

2140
01:17:51,750 --> 01:17:50,560
where that comes from and what she might

2141
01:17:53,510 --> 01:17:51,760
have seen

2142
01:17:55,669 --> 01:17:53,520
however this project vinnie i'm going to

2143
01:17:57,590 --> 01:17:55,679
run through the people that are involved

2144
01:18:00,070 --> 01:17:57,600
you know there's this we'll come back to

2145
01:18:02,149 --> 01:18:00,080
the first level disclosure team olive

2146
01:18:04,790 --> 01:18:02,159
rockner big shouts out olaf he's

2147
01:18:08,070 --> 01:18:04,800
everybody's favorite ufo artist his work

2148
01:18:09,590 --> 01:18:08,080
with dan at signal is absolutely

2149
01:18:11,990 --> 01:18:09,600
superior

2150
01:18:14,149 --> 01:18:12,000
olive is involved in this project in

2151
01:18:15,590 --> 01:18:14,159
lots of ways for example there's an

2152
01:18:17,110 --> 01:18:15,600
olive original in the middle of the

2153
01:18:19,270 --> 01:18:17,120
screen showing the different ufo

2154
01:18:20,550 --> 01:18:19,280
phenomenon around our sacred mountain

2155
01:18:22,229 --> 01:18:20,560
with light

2156
01:18:24,070 --> 01:18:22,239
all of us can have a great graphical

2157
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:24,080
interest in this and we're involved with

2158
01:18:28,390 --> 01:18:25,440
lots of other

2159
01:18:30,390 --> 01:18:28,400
future projects well if art tech's a big

2160
01:18:31,669 --> 01:18:30,400
arts festival organizer in colombia that

2161
01:18:33,189 --> 01:18:31,679
are going to produce the show for us

2162
01:18:34,630 --> 01:18:33,199
they're going to be here all week and

2163
01:18:36,870 --> 01:18:34,640
they're going to do take care of all the

2164
01:18:39,669 --> 01:18:36,880
cameras of the equipment all of the

2165
01:18:42,470 --> 01:18:39,679
sound recording of the logging and stuff

2166
01:18:43,910 --> 01:18:42,480
natalya's raise escobar is my partner

2167
01:18:45,910 --> 01:18:43,920
and a filmmaker who's also going to be

2168
01:18:47,430 --> 01:18:45,920
helping with the production managing the

2169
01:18:51,750 --> 01:18:47,440
arctic side

2170
01:18:54,390 --> 01:18:51,760
jono adams is a hero journal is an ex

2171
01:18:55,990 --> 01:18:54,400
royal british engineer

2172
01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:56,000
john is a skeptic

2173
01:18:59,910 --> 01:18:58,800
jono is a drone pilot a really good one

2174
01:19:01,110 --> 01:18:59,920
too

2175
01:19:02,390 --> 01:19:01,120
and he's coming

2176
01:19:03,910 --> 01:19:02,400
and he's also going to be doing all the

2177
01:19:06,550 --> 01:19:03,920
safety and security because he's like a

2178
01:19:10,310 --> 01:19:06,560
tough military guy hands-on hard guy

2179
01:19:11,430 --> 01:19:10,320
nice and then we've got uap colombia who

2180
01:19:23,830 --> 01:19:11,440
i

2181
01:19:25,669 --> 01:19:23,840
that

2182
01:19:28,550 --> 01:19:25,679
started out doing all the they call them

2183
01:19:30,149 --> 01:19:28,560
a vista mentos the sightings in colombia

2184
01:19:32,709 --> 01:19:30,159
but i got involved in it there right

2185
01:19:34,950 --> 01:19:32,719
start and i actually contacted you

2186
01:19:36,950 --> 01:19:34,960
through uap colombia and saddam uap

2187
01:19:38,229 --> 01:19:36,960
colombia and here's the truth here's the

2188
01:19:40,630 --> 01:19:38,239
thing

2189
01:19:42,630 --> 01:19:40,640
just at the start of coronavirus i was

2190
01:19:45,030 --> 01:19:42,640
in i got a double whammy i got a double

2191
01:19:45,910 --> 01:19:45,040
blighter vinny i'm a type one diabetic

2192
01:19:48,070 --> 01:19:45,920
okay

2193
01:19:49,030 --> 01:19:48,080
yeah so all that

2194
01:19:51,750 --> 01:19:49,040
so

2195
01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:51,760
managing and being a good balanced type

2196
01:19:55,110 --> 01:19:53,280
one diabetic

2197
01:19:56,630 --> 01:19:55,120
um

2198
01:19:58,070 --> 01:19:56,640
means that you have to tend to yourself

2199
01:19:59,990 --> 01:19:58,080
medically so on the day that the

2200
01:20:01,750 --> 01:20:00,000
coronavirus happened i got struck him

2201
01:20:05,189 --> 01:20:01,760
down you know this where that really

2202
01:20:07,590 --> 01:20:05,199
bizarre and rare medical situation a

2203
01:20:10,149 --> 01:20:07,600
disease that needed really attended to

2204
01:20:10,870 --> 01:20:10,159
really quickly and i wasn't able to do

2205
01:20:14,709 --> 01:20:10,880
it

2206
01:20:17,030 --> 01:20:14,719
right this is only 18 months ago what

2207
01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:17,040
ended up happening was ended up

2208
01:20:20,550 --> 01:20:18,480
eventually getting into hospital and

2209
01:20:23,270 --> 01:20:20,560
getting part of an operation done and it

2210
01:20:25,750 --> 01:20:23,280
rendered me unable to speak

2211
01:20:28,790 --> 01:20:25,760
for nine months this is my 13th week

2212
01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:28,800
vinnie after nine months no speaking

2213
01:20:34,550 --> 01:20:30,960
because of what i came through so what i

2214
01:20:36,390 --> 01:20:34,560
did was i started doing arts ufo arts

2215
01:20:39,350 --> 01:20:36,400
and working with musicians through uap

2216
01:20:41,270 --> 01:20:39,360
colombia and all anonymously because all

2217
01:20:43,669 --> 01:20:41,280
my life i've done tv stuff right so if i

2218
01:20:44,629 --> 01:20:43,679
do something on tv people watch it and

2219
01:20:46,470 --> 01:20:44,639
go

2220
01:20:47,990 --> 01:20:46,480
i liked it or i didn't maybe not based

2221
01:20:49,830 --> 01:20:48,000
on what i'm showing or talking about

2222
01:20:51,030 --> 01:20:49,840
based on whether they like me or not

2223
01:20:53,270 --> 01:20:51,040
that's terrible

2224
01:20:55,350 --> 01:20:53,280
so i started going through uap colombia

2225
01:20:57,350 --> 01:20:55,360
and what i was doing was working with

2226
01:21:00,149 --> 01:20:57,360
great artists fava barker over there in

2227
01:21:03,350 --> 01:21:00,159
the uk shout outs father oliver guys

2228
01:21:05,590 --> 01:21:03,360
from america justin all these guys i was

2229
01:21:07,910 --> 01:21:05,600
doing mixes with

2230
01:21:09,590 --> 01:21:07,920
music and audios and visuals but i was

2231
01:21:10,790 --> 01:21:09,600
doing it all anonymously none of them

2232
01:21:13,430 --> 01:21:10,800
knew who they were working with it was

2233
01:21:14,629 --> 01:21:13,440
uap colombia and it was so nice it still

2234
01:21:16,709 --> 01:21:14,639
is because none of them over here are

2235
01:21:18,629 --> 01:21:16,719
going to know it's me but it means i can

2236
01:21:21,189 --> 01:21:18,639
what i was able to work

2237
01:21:24,310 --> 01:21:21,199
and make arts and be told we're like

2238
01:21:25,430 --> 01:21:24,320
that or that's a load of rubbish without

2239
01:21:27,990 --> 01:21:25,440
me

2240
01:21:30,149 --> 01:21:28,000
and i've loved it so much and uf economy

2241
01:21:31,830 --> 01:21:30,159
is now this big thing where it's greatly

2242
01:21:33,990 --> 01:21:31,840
made up of them if you look at the

2243
01:21:35,669 --> 01:21:34,000
website uep colombia

2244
01:21:37,510 --> 01:21:35,679
that i'm going to be honest there's more

2245
01:21:38,950 --> 01:21:37,520
probably skeptic content than there is

2246
01:21:40,790 --> 01:21:38,960
in the believer content because what one

2247
01:21:43,189 --> 01:21:40,800
thing we're not sure of here is

2248
01:21:44,629 --> 01:21:43,199
believers in the ufo phenomenon and i

2249
01:21:47,270 --> 01:21:44,639
believe i believe

2250
01:21:49,750 --> 01:21:47,280
i i kind of look at it like if you

2251
01:21:51,270 --> 01:21:49,760
in life have any belief in anything

2252
01:21:52,229 --> 01:21:51,280
everything else you encounter is going

2253
01:21:54,629 --> 01:21:52,239
to be

2254
01:21:57,430 --> 01:21:54,639
compared and considered against that

2255
01:21:59,669 --> 01:21:57,440
fundamental one second nadi could you

2256
01:22:01,990 --> 01:21:59,679
stop that please

2257
01:22:04,470 --> 01:22:02,000
grass yes sorry we just got cleaning it

2258
01:22:06,790 --> 01:22:04,480
on the background now no worries

2259
01:22:09,350 --> 01:22:06,800
i know it's going on

2260
01:22:11,750 --> 01:22:09,360
so uap colombia is like a vessel that we

2261
01:22:14,470 --> 01:22:11,760
do lots of arts through so those are the

2262
01:22:16,070 --> 01:22:14,480
those are the seven partner companies

2263
01:22:18,390 --> 01:22:16,080
that are involved

2264
01:22:20,310 --> 01:22:18,400
with the new film right so

2265
01:22:25,030 --> 01:22:20,320
i introduce you to the team

2266
01:22:28,229 --> 01:22:25,470
look

2267
01:22:30,149 --> 01:22:28,239
[Laughter]

2268
01:22:31,430 --> 01:22:30,159
so vinnie is coming

2269
01:22:36,870 --> 01:22:31,440
to colombia

2270
01:22:39,189 --> 01:22:36,880
six and a half weeks

2271
01:22:41,830 --> 01:22:39,199
yeah we

2272
01:22:44,390 --> 01:22:41,840
have got a team together look at this

2273
01:22:47,110 --> 01:22:44,400
what we've got is finney so you in my

2274
01:22:50,790 --> 01:22:47,120
mind at the moment represent

2275
01:22:53,350 --> 01:22:50,800
the ufc ufo community at large

2276
01:22:55,990 --> 01:22:53,360
you are completely wired into all

2277
01:22:58,070 --> 01:22:56,000
sections from mick west to lou elizondo

2278
01:23:00,390 --> 01:22:58,080
the two bookends you know as i call them

2279
01:23:02,709 --> 01:23:00,400
the begins of the community

2280
01:23:04,149 --> 01:23:02,719
i think you are going to be absolutely

2281
01:23:05,750 --> 01:23:04,159
brilliant here

2282
01:23:06,790 --> 01:23:05,760
in the conditions that we're setting up

2283
01:23:08,470 --> 01:23:06,800
for this filming you're going to be

2284
01:23:10,390 --> 01:23:08,480
working with jono adams the ex-royal

2285
01:23:12,790 --> 01:23:10,400
engineer natalie she's going to be the

2286
01:23:14,870 --> 01:23:12,800
director in camera one walter payne

2287
01:23:17,590 --> 01:23:14,880
there is the remote viewing scientist

2288
01:23:19,590 --> 01:23:17,600
who discovered the chia figurine he is

2289
01:23:20,470 --> 01:23:19,600
going to take us to the top of waika at

2290
01:23:23,110 --> 01:23:20,480
night

2291
01:23:24,709 --> 01:23:23,120
with a really advanced drone with an ir

2292
01:23:26,950 --> 01:23:24,719
lens and he's going to film an

2293
01:23:29,350 --> 01:23:26,960
orthostatic map of the entire root of de

2294
01:23:31,830 --> 01:23:29,360
la sovnis so

2295
01:23:33,830 --> 01:23:31,840
we've got natalya caster janus she's a

2296
01:23:35,669 --> 01:23:33,840
local fictional field guide and she

2297
01:23:37,189 --> 01:23:35,679
helps us with the transport between the

2298
01:23:39,030 --> 01:23:37,199
different locations and the different

2299
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:39,040
places we're going to be going danny

2300
01:23:42,470 --> 01:23:41,360
stanich helps natalie she's a field

2301
01:23:45,590 --> 01:23:42,480
producer

2302
01:23:47,910 --> 01:23:45,600
what we're going to be doing vinnie

2303
01:23:50,629 --> 01:23:47,920
is calling out for four public

2304
01:23:52,550 --> 01:23:50,639
participants now it's public on my

2305
01:23:54,310 --> 01:23:52,560
website we'll put the links at the end

2306
01:23:55,510 --> 01:23:54,320
what we're looking for

2307
01:23:57,270 --> 01:23:55,520
you know we take people here and make

2308
01:23:58,790 --> 01:23:57,280
these archaeological films every year

2309
01:23:59,669 --> 01:23:58,800
but now we want four people to come and

2310
01:24:01,430 --> 01:23:59,679
join

2311
01:24:04,070 --> 01:24:01,440
the spread that you see there to make up

2312
01:24:04,950 --> 01:24:04,080
like a 12-man crew

2313
01:24:06,950 --> 01:24:04,960
we have

2314
01:24:08,470 --> 01:24:06,960
a balance of skeptics and balance the

2315
01:24:09,750 --> 01:24:08,480
believers in the balance of those in the

2316
01:24:11,669 --> 01:24:09,760
middle just now but what we're looking

2317
01:24:14,310 --> 01:24:11,679
for maybe

2318
01:24:15,990 --> 01:24:14,320
people with podcast channels who got a

2319
01:24:18,550 --> 01:24:16,000
couple of dollars at the side that want

2320
01:24:20,310 --> 01:24:18,560
to come and get a week in columbia

2321
01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:20,320
staying like this

2322
01:24:23,110 --> 01:24:21,360
here

2323
01:24:26,149 --> 01:24:23,120
and a hundred year old tradition and

2324
01:24:28,790 --> 01:24:26,159
dean mansion we've got this property all

2325
01:24:30,629 --> 01:24:28,800
right and it's just absolutely awesome

2326
01:24:31,590 --> 01:24:30,639
direct line of sight with la pena de

2327
01:24:34,870 --> 01:24:31,600
waca

2328
01:24:37,350 --> 01:24:34,880
our bedrooms look at the the mountain

2329
01:24:39,669 --> 01:24:37,360
it's a seven bedroom mansion there it's

2330
01:24:41,030 --> 01:24:39,679
got like four public rooms it's there

2331
01:24:42,070 --> 01:24:41,040
located in the middle of the valley

2332
01:24:44,550 --> 01:24:42,080
we've got

2333
01:24:46,870 --> 01:24:44,560
cleaners and cooks and drivers and all

2334
01:24:49,430 --> 01:24:46,880
sorts of amazing

2335
01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:49,440
colombian cuisine laid on

2336
01:24:54,149 --> 01:24:53,040
but what we're gonna do at this place

2337
01:24:55,830 --> 01:24:54,159
is this

2338
01:24:58,470 --> 01:24:55,840
we're gonna film a series of us

2339
01:25:02,070 --> 01:24:58,480
establishing uap controls

2340
01:25:03,750 --> 01:25:02,080
our question principal is is this andean

2341
01:25:06,470 --> 01:25:03,760
glow

2342
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:06,480
drones flying low

2343
01:25:09,189 --> 01:25:07,920
or torches

2344
01:25:12,149 --> 01:25:09,199
and you're going to be going where's

2345
01:25:13,270 --> 01:25:12,159
these ufos well come on if it's ufos

2346
01:25:14,070 --> 01:25:13,280
then it's going to win none of these

2347
01:25:15,750 --> 01:25:14,080
things

2348
01:25:19,030 --> 01:25:15,760
here's trouble

2349
01:25:21,669 --> 01:25:19,040
for like 70 years

2350
01:25:24,950 --> 01:25:21,679
people have failed to supply

2351
01:25:26,149 --> 01:25:24,960
that sharp hd ufo photograph so we're

2352
01:25:28,310 --> 01:25:26,159
not going to be able to do it in a week

2353
01:25:29,590 --> 01:25:28,320
in columbia let's be honest but what we

2354
01:25:31,030 --> 01:25:29,600
can do

2355
01:25:33,430 --> 01:25:31,040
is set out

2356
01:25:36,790 --> 01:25:33,440
to explore the phenomenon as it stands

2357
01:25:38,390 --> 01:25:36,800
as a phenomenon and what we'll do

2358
01:25:39,669 --> 01:25:38,400
is we're going to explore i've got to

2359
01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:39,679
show it to you in the next slide but

2360
01:25:44,629 --> 01:25:41,280
i've compiled

2361
01:25:47,510 --> 01:25:44,639
19 geological and climatological

2362
01:25:49,270 --> 01:25:47,520
phenomena that might account for

2363
01:25:51,750 --> 01:25:49,280
lights on a mountain

2364
01:25:53,430 --> 01:25:51,760
and we're going to have a geologist here

2365
01:25:55,430 --> 01:25:53,440
who's going to look at all of our

2366
01:25:57,189 --> 01:25:55,440
sighting material and photographs and

2367
01:25:59,030 --> 01:25:57,199
we've got some bizarre sightings and

2368
01:26:00,550 --> 01:25:59,040
images and films from the public in

2369
01:26:02,629 --> 01:26:00,560
advance of this

2370
01:26:04,870 --> 01:26:02,639
so we're going to look at the geological

2371
01:26:06,550 --> 01:26:04,880
conditions and bring a geologist in

2372
01:26:08,149 --> 01:26:06,560
we're also going to have

2373
01:26:09,990 --> 01:26:08,159
someone from the colombian military here

2374
01:26:13,110 --> 01:26:10,000
is going to talk to us about

2375
01:26:15,510 --> 01:26:13,120
anti-narco drones drones that are sent

2376
01:26:17,750 --> 01:26:15,520
out to shoot down the drones that are

2377
01:26:19,430 --> 01:26:17,760
taking the drugs up from mexico into

2378
01:26:22,229 --> 01:26:19,440
north america and also from the

2379
01:26:23,910 --> 01:26:22,239
colombian interior and dropping them

2380
01:26:25,830 --> 01:26:23,920
into the pacific

2381
01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:25,840
so we're going to have someone up knows

2382
01:26:29,110 --> 01:26:27,760
about melody to talk to john noem walter

2383
01:26:30,390 --> 01:26:29,120
and we're going to bring that into and

2384
01:26:32,229 --> 01:26:30,400
see what we can figure out because what

2385
01:26:34,550 --> 01:26:32,239
we have is a military base about five

2386
01:26:36,790 --> 01:26:34,560
miles from here and a police base

2387
01:26:39,110 --> 01:26:36,800
five miles from here and el dorado's ten

2388
01:26:40,790 --> 01:26:39,120
miles from here i'm telling you vinnie

2389
01:26:43,430 --> 01:26:40,800
when you look out at night okay it's

2390
01:26:45,830 --> 01:26:43,440
like being in bob lazar's dream

2391
01:26:47,430 --> 01:26:45,840
right everything's everything's just

2392
01:26:49,590 --> 01:26:47,440
moving

2393
01:26:51,510 --> 01:26:49,600
and then what we're gonna do this is my

2394
01:26:54,070 --> 01:26:51,520
favorite experiment so

2395
01:26:55,830 --> 01:26:54,080
so ultimately whether el frasio dr

2396
01:26:58,390 --> 01:26:55,840
frasio is right

2397
01:26:59,910 --> 01:26:58,400
or whether the ufologists are right or

2398
01:27:01,350 --> 01:26:59,920
whether the interdimensional phobia

2399
01:27:02,870 --> 01:27:01,360
writer within the moisture people have

2400
01:27:04,470 --> 01:27:02,880
been spiritual is right or with the lady

2401
01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:04,480
at the shop who thinks it's the soul of

2402
01:27:09,270 --> 01:27:06,960
saint thomas is right

2403
01:27:11,030 --> 01:27:09,280
i'm gonna take the stance in this

2404
01:27:13,430 --> 01:27:11,040
project and investigation that i'm

2405
01:27:15,669 --> 01:27:13,440
insisting their torches right and this

2406
01:27:17,270 --> 01:27:15,679
is what we're gonna do to try and egg in

2407
01:27:19,030 --> 01:27:17,280
my face

2408
01:27:20,390 --> 01:27:19,040
we're gonna have

2409
01:27:21,669 --> 01:27:20,400
walter

2410
01:27:22,790 --> 01:27:21,679
and you

2411
01:27:24,790 --> 01:27:22,800
and i

2412
01:27:27,030 --> 01:27:24,800
on the second night of the trip

2413
01:27:28,870 --> 01:27:27,040
and with three policemen we're gonna

2414
01:27:30,310 --> 01:27:28,880
hike to the top of waika and we're gonna

2415
01:27:32,390 --> 01:27:30,320
camp

2416
01:27:34,790 --> 01:27:32,400
what we're gonna what we're gonna do is

2417
01:27:37,110 --> 01:27:34,800
take a range of mag match lights and

2418
01:27:37,990 --> 01:27:37,120
different torches and we're gonna spend

2419
01:27:39,590 --> 01:27:38,000
the night

2420
01:27:42,390 --> 01:27:39,600
walking the paths

2421
01:27:45,189 --> 01:27:42,400
and back hq jono and the film team will

2422
01:27:48,390 --> 01:27:45,199
film us right what will we'll produce

2423
01:27:50,550 --> 01:27:48,400
then is this control map where we know

2424
01:27:52,390 --> 01:27:50,560
what motion the different torches make

2425
01:27:54,629 --> 01:27:52,400
on the different paths so

2426
01:27:56,550 --> 01:27:54,639
all of the historic uap sightings that

2427
01:27:59,350 --> 01:27:56,560
have been made on the mountain all

2428
01:28:02,709 --> 01:27:59,360
future ones can be paired against a

2429
01:28:05,990 --> 01:28:04,310
amazing

2430
01:28:07,750 --> 01:28:06,000
and i feel then

2431
01:28:10,390 --> 01:28:07,760
what we're going to do

2432
01:28:12,790 --> 01:28:10,400
is bring to the ufo community and the

2433
01:28:14,629 --> 01:28:12,800
sort of phenomenology community at large

2434
01:28:16,149 --> 01:28:14,639
is

2435
01:28:18,149 --> 01:28:16,159
we're not going to use laser pointers

2436
01:28:19,750 --> 01:28:18,159
vinny i'm not 19 anymore there's no

2437
01:28:22,310 --> 01:28:19,760
laser pointers getting shown at drones

2438
01:28:25,510 --> 01:28:22,320
in the sky here to make our film work

2439
01:28:27,750 --> 01:28:25,520
we are filming on the week which is

2440
01:28:30,310 --> 01:28:27,760
exactly the same week as last year when

2441
01:28:32,070 --> 01:28:30,320
i saw the first lights that seemed to

2442
01:28:34,070 --> 01:28:32,080
switch on

2443
01:28:35,910 --> 01:28:34,080
at that time of the year this february

2444
01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:35,920
second week of february and that's

2445
01:28:40,070 --> 01:28:37,920
traditionally when they're seen

2446
01:28:43,189 --> 01:28:40,080
so we're going to set out to set a

2447
01:28:44,790 --> 01:28:43,199
control function against a 400 year old

2448
01:28:46,550 --> 01:28:44,800
reported light phenomenon but i'm going

2449
01:28:48,950 --> 01:28:46,560
to bring it to this before we conclude

2450
01:28:50,709 --> 01:28:48,960
all this is this this is important

2451
01:28:54,229 --> 01:28:50,719
like all

2452
01:28:56,709 --> 01:28:54,239
are they built on sand or are they built

2453
01:28:58,550 --> 01:28:56,719
on a kernel of truth well while

2454
01:29:01,430 --> 01:28:58,560
everything you will read on google and

2455
01:29:04,550 --> 01:29:01,440
on the internet and by big media

2456
01:29:06,390 --> 01:29:04,560
channels el tiempo and el pas

2457
01:29:10,550 --> 01:29:06,400
they'll all say that this was reported

2458
01:29:11,990 --> 01:29:10,560
from 1608 in the parish records in tabio

2459
01:29:13,110 --> 01:29:12,000
knowing i've never seen that document

2460
01:29:14,870 --> 01:29:13,120
vinnie and what i thought would be

2461
01:29:17,270 --> 01:29:14,880
really cool is and we petitioned to the

2462
01:29:19,430 --> 01:29:17,280
local mayor to get a meeting with the

2463
01:29:22,070 --> 01:29:19,440
local archivist and i thought you and i

2464
01:29:24,629 --> 01:29:22,080
could go down there and spend a day

2465
01:29:28,149 --> 01:29:24,639
stumbling over in bad spanish to try and

2466
01:29:29,110 --> 01:29:28,159
locate the documents in 1608 that refers

2467
01:29:29,910 --> 01:29:29,120
to the

2468
01:29:32,149 --> 01:29:29,920
the

2469
01:29:34,149 --> 01:29:32,159
dancing lights of la pena de waca and

2470
01:29:35,110 --> 01:29:34,159
the baptism by the colonists wouldn't

2471
01:29:37,350 --> 01:29:35,120
that be cool

2472
01:29:38,870 --> 01:29:37,360
yeah to find some old documents like

2473
01:29:39,750 --> 01:29:38,880
that and

2474
01:29:41,110 --> 01:29:39,760
yeah

2475
01:29:43,270 --> 01:29:41,120
i mean that's the kind of stuff i'd want

2476
01:29:44,470 --> 01:29:43,280
to watch myself let alone be a part of

2477
01:29:46,870 --> 01:29:44,480
it so

2478
01:29:49,270 --> 01:29:46,880
i'm so up for that it would be the first

2479
01:29:51,990 --> 01:29:49,280
kind or the oldest if we found that it

2480
01:29:52,950 --> 01:29:52,000
would be the oldest written reference to

2481
01:29:54,950 --> 01:29:52,960
our

2482
01:29:56,870 --> 01:29:54,960
unexplained aerial phenomenon which it

2483
01:29:59,030 --> 01:29:56,880
rightfully is isn't it

2484
01:30:00,629 --> 01:29:59,040
again here by definition from our

2485
01:30:02,310 --> 01:30:00,639
perspective

2486
01:30:03,669 --> 01:30:02,320
there are lots and lots of others and

2487
01:30:04,790 --> 01:30:03,679
now here's another thing i should say

2488
01:30:07,830 --> 01:30:04,800
something else i'll bring into the

2489
01:30:09,750 --> 01:30:07,840
project so i was teaching i told you i

2490
01:30:11,350 --> 01:30:09,760
taught filmmaking and

2491
01:30:13,350 --> 01:30:11,360
photography and

2492
01:30:15,189 --> 01:30:13,360
there's things i know about filmmaking

2493
01:30:16,870 --> 01:30:15,199
and photography that i think it's really

2494
01:30:18,950 --> 01:30:16,880
important that people in the ufo

2495
01:30:20,870 --> 01:30:18,960
community know too and

2496
01:30:22,310 --> 01:30:20,880
like i'm not going to make friends with

2497
01:30:23,510 --> 01:30:22,320
this but i think it's important people

2498
01:30:26,950 --> 01:30:23,520
see it because it challenges them as

2499
01:30:28,870 --> 01:30:26,960
like i am a pro at making tic tacs how

2500
01:30:31,590 --> 01:30:28,880
about that

2501
01:30:34,390 --> 01:30:31,600
call them flick tax because if you

2502
01:30:36,149 --> 01:30:34,400
expose a venus for 30 seconds and on the

2503
01:30:37,430 --> 01:30:36,159
last second you go

2504
01:30:39,030 --> 01:30:37,440
it's got to be careful you've got to

2505
01:30:40,390 --> 01:30:39,040
weigh out the weight of the camera you

2506
01:30:42,709 --> 01:30:40,400
look at the film there you've got your

2507
01:30:46,070 --> 01:30:42,719
tic tac that means just a little so when

2508
01:30:49,110 --> 01:30:46,080
i see and all these lots and lots

2509
01:30:50,790 --> 01:30:49,120
everything but most of the stuff i see

2510
01:30:52,229 --> 01:30:50,800
it just drives me crazy so i'm going to

2511
01:30:53,669 --> 01:30:52,239
do like one of the series we're going to

2512
01:30:55,750 --> 01:30:53,679
have walter and i do make your own

2513
01:30:57,110 --> 01:30:55,760
tic-tac films

2514
01:30:59,350 --> 01:30:57,120
that's awesome well we've got to cover

2515
01:31:01,590 --> 01:30:59,360
all the bases i missed a comment earlier

2516
01:31:03,189 --> 01:31:01,600
but signal said we've got to

2517
01:31:05,430 --> 01:31:03,199
do these kind of things and look at the

2518
01:31:07,750 --> 01:31:05,440
prozac possible explanations get them

2519
01:31:09,910 --> 01:31:07,760
out of the way and move on up you know

2520
01:31:11,510 --> 01:31:09,920
that kind of thing so this is i hope i

2521
01:31:13,990 --> 01:31:11,520
hope that's that people will see it's

2522
01:31:16,470 --> 01:31:14,000
that and it's not and i mean who would i

2523
01:31:17,669 --> 01:31:16,480
be to come on to the prime channel in

2524
01:31:20,790 --> 01:31:17,679
the uak

2525
01:31:23,510 --> 01:31:20,800
you okay you a pc and say that's all the

2526
01:31:25,510 --> 01:31:23,520
shape mini it's all purchased

2527
01:31:27,430 --> 01:31:25,520
whether it's or not i am far more

2528
01:31:29,110 --> 01:31:27,440
investigative than that and i'm at the

2529
01:31:30,870 --> 01:31:29,120
front end of a community that believes

2530
01:31:32,870 --> 01:31:30,880
this is ufos and lights and it's going

2531
01:31:35,350 --> 01:31:32,880
on outside my house i'd have to be a

2532
01:31:37,430 --> 01:31:35,360
pretty grey and dull person to do

2533
01:31:40,470 --> 01:31:37,440
nothing with this right

2534
01:31:42,070 --> 01:31:40,480
so so being a filmmaker at um and here's

2535
01:31:43,830 --> 01:31:42,080
i'm just showing you there i think i'm

2536
01:31:46,790 --> 01:31:43,840
going to do this so your folk can the

2537
01:31:49,270 --> 01:31:46,800
viewers can screenshot this these are

2538
01:31:52,390 --> 01:31:49,280
i wrote this for uap columbia's skeptics

2539
01:31:53,910 --> 01:31:52,400
page are it is a collection of the 16

2540
01:31:56,790 --> 01:31:53,920
most probable

2541
01:31:58,790 --> 01:31:56,800
chemical or plasma phenomenon that could

2542
01:32:00,550 --> 01:31:58,800
be getting witnessed on the mountain and

2543
01:32:01,750 --> 01:32:00,560
astronomical there's things in here

2544
01:32:02,870 --> 01:32:01,760
we're going to explain i'm going to help

2545
01:32:04,390 --> 01:32:02,880
because i know about some of them but

2546
01:32:06,229 --> 01:32:04,400
we're going to have a friend here miguel

2547
01:32:08,070 --> 01:32:06,239
from bogota's scientist who's going to

2548
01:32:10,149 --> 01:32:08,080
talk about this there are things called

2549
01:32:12,709 --> 01:32:10,159
nanoparticle flares there are

2550
01:32:14,550 --> 01:32:12,719
nanoparticle nets there's like eight

2551
01:32:16,550 --> 01:32:14,560
different types of ball lightning there

2552
01:32:18,709 --> 01:32:16,560
are the andean lights there's things

2553
01:32:20,310 --> 01:32:18,719
called phosphene clouds that modern

2554
01:32:22,709 --> 01:32:20,320
scientists suggest

2555
01:32:25,189 --> 01:32:22,719
can actually create

2556
01:32:27,189 --> 01:32:25,199
the visual sensation or the visual

2557
01:32:29,510 --> 01:32:27,199
imprint of light in the head yet nothing

2558
01:32:31,189 --> 01:32:29,520
came through the eye there could be all

2559
01:32:33,189 --> 01:32:31,199
sorts of things going on here so we're

2560
01:32:35,510 --> 01:32:33,199
going to build all this into the

2561
01:32:36,790 --> 01:32:35,520
documentary just as dan said

2562
01:32:38,790 --> 01:32:36,800
rather than

2563
01:32:41,110 --> 01:32:38,800
let's be honest right i've been watching

2564
01:32:43,189 --> 01:32:41,120
every ufo documentary that's ever been

2565
01:32:45,350 --> 01:32:43,199
made because i don't want mine to be

2566
01:32:47,270 --> 01:32:45,360
rubbish like most of them

2567
01:32:49,750 --> 01:32:47,280
and here's the thing the reason they're

2568
01:32:52,390 --> 01:32:49,760
rubbish and i mean that is because

2569
01:32:53,990 --> 01:32:52,400
they're all trying to sell something

2570
01:32:56,149 --> 01:32:54,000
they're not leaving space for an

2571
01:32:58,950 --> 01:32:56,159
audience to make up or conclude

2572
01:33:01,350 --> 01:32:58,960
themselves there's needless drama with

2573
01:33:03,510 --> 01:33:01,360
overbearing music i love my big drum and

2574
01:33:06,070 --> 01:33:03,520
bass vinny i'm like a kid homophones of

2575
01:33:07,910 --> 01:33:06,080
drum and bass or indiana jones

2576
01:33:10,149 --> 01:33:07,920
indiana jones for ganapa hill and drama

2577
01:33:12,149 --> 01:33:10,159
base when i'm thinking

2578
01:33:13,830 --> 01:33:12,159
but we want to build have a series where

2579
01:33:15,830 --> 01:33:13,840
people can look at it from the that are

2580
01:33:19,030 --> 01:33:15,840
maybe not particularly into

2581
01:33:21,830 --> 01:33:19,040
ufos or even skeptics against ufos

2582
01:33:23,350 --> 01:33:21,840
they've never considered it before but

2583
01:33:25,830 --> 01:33:23,360
the takeaway is going to be i've just

2584
01:33:28,470 --> 01:33:25,840
learned so much about

2585
01:33:30,470 --> 01:33:28,480
chemistry and hills and rivers and

2586
01:33:32,390 --> 01:33:30,480
indigenous cultures and the way clouds

2587
01:33:34,070 --> 01:33:32,400
work the way light interacts with water

2588
01:33:36,470 --> 01:33:34,080
and the way moisture interacts with

2589
01:33:38,950 --> 01:33:36,480
their eyes and how feelings interact

2590
01:33:42,070 --> 01:33:38,960
with thoughts and a real exploration

2591
01:33:44,149 --> 01:33:42,080
into phenomenology as a broader topic

2592
01:33:46,070 --> 01:33:44,159
than just this

2593
01:33:48,470 --> 01:33:46,080
what's the phenomenon

2594
01:33:50,470 --> 01:33:48,480
that's so that we we we're set up i'm

2595
01:33:51,830 --> 01:33:50,480
cheaply hacking into the word fin on

2596
01:33:54,229 --> 01:33:51,840
because it's the word just now but it's

2597
01:33:56,390 --> 01:33:54,239
cool because it's about the approach and

2598
01:33:58,470 --> 01:33:56,400
i will say this like

2599
01:34:01,669 --> 01:33:58,480
i'm looking for i would love what i

2600
01:34:03,030 --> 01:34:01,679
would really love is an absolute

2601
01:34:06,229 --> 01:34:03,040
open

2602
01:34:07,830 --> 01:34:06,239
nothing to hide hardcore tic tac ufo

2603
01:34:09,590 --> 01:34:07,840
believer like

2604
01:34:10,790 --> 01:34:09,600
the better the better the i've got two

2605
01:34:13,270 --> 01:34:10,800
colombian people that are going to

2606
01:34:15,189 --> 01:34:13,280
represent that but and you know while

2607
01:34:17,350 --> 01:34:15,199
you're inclined to think about ufos more

2608
01:34:20,310 --> 01:34:17,360
than me perhaps as nicolas said to you

2609
01:34:23,510 --> 01:34:20,320
remember that's his line i remember

2610
01:34:25,590 --> 01:34:23,520
is is that i i do love i do love people

2611
01:34:26,790 --> 01:34:25,600
that have commitments to these things

2612
01:34:28,950 --> 01:34:26,800
and i'd love

2613
01:34:30,790 --> 01:34:28,960
anybody that's got hardcore beliefs that

2614
01:34:32,470 --> 01:34:30,800
wants to come and share what they've got

2615
01:34:34,709 --> 01:34:32,480
interpreting what we're showing and

2616
01:34:36,149 --> 01:34:34,719
again on the skeptic side you know it'd

2617
01:34:39,669 --> 01:34:36,159
be great to have someone here who

2618
01:34:42,310 --> 01:34:39,679
represented the skeptic community and

2619
01:34:44,310 --> 01:34:42,320
i i think believer and skeptic on both

2620
01:34:45,830 --> 01:34:44,320
sides of the thing is maybe

2621
01:34:47,590 --> 01:34:45,840
they're the bits i'm not so interested

2622
01:34:49,510 --> 01:34:47,600
in because again it's kind of

2623
01:34:51,189 --> 01:34:49,520
predictable maybe what a believer's chat

2624
01:34:54,149 --> 01:34:51,199
is going to be and it's very predictable

2625
01:34:55,669 --> 01:34:54,159
what a skeptic's chat is going to be

2626
01:34:57,189 --> 01:34:55,679
so we're looking for color and everyone

2627
01:34:59,109 --> 01:34:57,199
in the middle and that's where i thought

2628
01:35:00,550 --> 01:34:59,119
i mean a year ago i reached out she said

2629
01:35:02,629 --> 01:35:00,560
look there's something in the off in

2630
01:35:04,070 --> 01:35:02,639
here did i tell you who i was when i got

2631
01:35:06,629 --> 01:35:04,080
in touch with you or did i do it

2632
01:35:09,189 --> 01:35:06,639
anonymous

2633
01:35:10,950 --> 01:35:09,199
no it took a while before i realized who

2634
01:35:12,629 --> 01:35:10,960
you were yeah yeah you didn't you didn't

2635
01:35:14,390 --> 01:35:12,639
make it clear straight away you came

2636
01:35:17,430 --> 01:35:14,400
through the uap columbia

2637
01:35:19,430 --> 01:35:17,440
instagram page and i didn't find out who

2638
01:35:22,709 --> 01:35:19,440
you were because when i found out it was

2639
01:35:24,229 --> 01:35:22,719
you ashley cowie and then i went and

2640
01:35:24,950 --> 01:35:24,239
watched all your stuff and i was like oh

2641
01:35:27,430 --> 01:35:24,960
my

2642
01:35:29,350 --> 01:35:27,440
i i've seen this guy on expedition

2643
01:35:30,790 --> 01:35:29,360
unknown and and even some of the the

2644
01:35:32,709 --> 01:35:30,800
scottish goals

2645
01:35:35,189 --> 01:35:32,719
shows that you've done i'd seen some of

2646
01:35:36,950 --> 01:35:35,199
those i was like no way this is great

2647
01:35:38,790 --> 01:35:36,960
i'm a treasure hunter it sounds so cheap

2648
01:35:40,390 --> 01:35:38,800
to say that but i do we go i've been

2649
01:35:42,149 --> 01:35:40,400
we're making films about looking for

2650
01:35:43,910 --> 01:35:42,159
lost jackpot treasure chest and the

2651
01:35:45,750 --> 01:35:43,920
highlands yeah looking for el drago

2652
01:35:47,990 --> 01:35:45,760
that's the thing and this is greatly the

2653
01:35:50,229 --> 01:35:48,000
same thing it's just satisfying that

2654
01:35:51,430 --> 01:35:50,239
greedy obsessive lust for knowing

2655
01:35:53,189 --> 01:35:51,440
everything right

2656
01:35:54,870 --> 01:35:53,199
absolutely man

2657
01:35:57,030 --> 01:35:54,880
and if it's unknown it has such an

2658
01:35:59,030 --> 01:35:57,040
appeal to me but i think what's going to

2659
01:36:00,629 --> 01:35:59,040
come from this whole thing is

2660
01:36:02,709 --> 01:36:00,639
different people different aspects of

2661
01:36:05,189 --> 01:36:02,719
the community and we're we are not going

2662
01:36:08,470 --> 01:36:05,199
to try to do like another overview of

2663
01:36:10,870 --> 01:36:08,480
what a tic tac is or what

2664
01:36:12,870 --> 01:36:10,880
we're going to just try to insert a

2665
01:36:14,390 --> 01:36:12,880
better reason and a bit of

2666
01:36:16,070 --> 01:36:14,400
critical thinking

2667
01:36:17,910 --> 01:36:16,080
into the whole

2668
01:36:19,990 --> 01:36:17,920
phenomenon that we experience here in

2669
01:36:22,149 --> 01:36:20,000
colombia and it just so happens that

2670
01:36:23,510 --> 01:36:22,159
while we're doing that night and

2671
01:36:26,149 --> 01:36:23,520
learning how to use cameras because we

2672
01:36:28,790 --> 01:36:26,159
have got some absolutely awesome cameras

2673
01:36:31,590 --> 01:36:28,800
we've got just three super rigs for this

2674
01:36:33,270 --> 01:36:31,600
we've got thermal lenses for shooting ir

2675
01:36:35,350 --> 01:36:33,280
at different light temperatures so we

2676
01:36:36,629 --> 01:36:35,360
can lift light temperatures when you're

2677
01:36:37,750 --> 01:36:36,639
not shooting light you're shooting

2678
01:36:40,070 --> 01:36:37,760
temperatures

2679
01:36:41,750 --> 01:36:40,080
you can then take these things to graphs

2680
01:36:44,229 --> 01:36:41,760
and charts and

2681
01:36:45,270 --> 01:36:44,239
gauge what the source of the light might

2682
01:36:46,390 --> 01:36:45,280
be

2683
01:36:53,030 --> 01:36:46,400
so

2684
01:36:55,189 --> 01:36:53,040
within the ufo field uep i'd rather call

2685
01:36:57,189 --> 01:36:55,199
it however there are lots of

2686
01:36:59,910 --> 01:36:57,199
ufos for example that

2687
01:37:01,830 --> 01:36:59,920
red flashing light for six months was a

2688
01:37:03,669 --> 01:37:01,840
ufo because it was certainly flying it

2689
01:37:05,270 --> 01:37:03,679
was certainly unidentified it was an

2690
01:37:08,390 --> 01:37:05,280
object

2691
01:37:11,030 --> 01:37:08,400
however i'm not so quick to link

2692
01:37:12,550 --> 01:37:11,040
the the little green fella thing with

2693
01:37:15,590 --> 01:37:12,560
everything sure of course yeah i

2694
01:37:17,109 --> 01:37:15,600
wouldn't go that far but um yeah

2695
01:37:18,310 --> 01:37:17,119
but it kicks off here every night i'm

2696
01:37:19,590 --> 01:37:18,320
coming in with something else in my

2697
01:37:20,950 --> 01:37:19,600
camera

2698
01:37:24,790 --> 01:37:20,960
and it's great and i mean that most

2699
01:37:26,790 --> 01:37:24,800
nights it's there was a great i i

2700
01:37:28,950 --> 01:37:26,800
this is a really really this was a

2701
01:37:29,990 --> 01:37:28,960
really big moment as well that happened

2702
01:37:31,750 --> 01:37:30,000
this year

2703
01:37:33,510 --> 01:37:31,760
knowing him in the valley of the lights

2704
01:37:35,270 --> 01:37:33,520
and the valley of the dancing lights i

2705
01:37:37,510 --> 01:37:35,280
was outside with natalya one night that

2706
01:37:38,550 --> 01:37:37,520
we saw the light flashing on top of the

2707
01:37:40,149 --> 01:37:38,560
mountain

2708
01:37:41,990 --> 01:37:40,159
and it appeared

2709
01:37:44,229 --> 01:37:42,000
to come down the hill really quickly

2710
01:37:45,510 --> 01:37:44,239
this is the thing that when i show see i

2711
01:37:47,030 --> 01:37:45,520
haven't shown you my films that i've

2712
01:37:48,390 --> 01:37:47,040
taken up the lights because i'm keeping

2713
01:37:49,590 --> 01:37:48,400
them from a film but vinnie i'm going to

2714
01:37:52,070 --> 01:37:49,600
be really honest

2715
01:37:54,310 --> 01:37:52,080
there is some banana film some banana

2716
01:37:55,990 --> 01:37:54,320
stuff with the lights

2717
01:37:57,430 --> 01:37:56,000
like i can't be showing everything just

2718
01:37:59,350 --> 01:37:57,440
now you know a good poker player doesn't

2719
01:38:01,510 --> 01:37:59,360
have all those cards on the table but

2720
01:38:03,669 --> 01:38:01,520
there's some things in there that are

2721
01:38:04,709 --> 01:38:03,679
maybe not on the path or they're like

2722
01:38:06,470 --> 01:38:04,719
when you look and see where they are

2723
01:38:08,149 --> 01:38:06,480
they're in the middle of where

2724
01:38:10,149 --> 01:38:08,159
the mountain is and it's sort of a bit

2725
01:38:11,430 --> 01:38:10,159
more challenging

2726
01:38:12,950 --> 01:38:11,440
but um

2727
01:38:14,070 --> 01:38:12,960
phenomenology is the name of the project

2728
01:38:16,070 --> 01:38:14,080
i can't believe you're coming to

2729
01:38:18,550 --> 01:38:16,080
colombia it's going to be such fun i'm

2730
01:38:19,350 --> 01:38:18,560
so excited yeah and who are gonna get i

2731
01:38:21,669 --> 01:38:19,360
mean

2732
01:38:23,350 --> 01:38:21,679
who's gonna i know already like we did

2733
01:38:25,189 --> 01:38:23,360
the archaeology one last year and we

2734
01:38:26,709 --> 01:38:25,199
announced on a podcast

2735
01:38:29,030 --> 01:38:26,719
you know two years ago and 12 people

2736
01:38:31,109 --> 01:38:29,040
were lined up within three weeks

2737
01:38:32,950 --> 01:38:31,119
we've got eight weeks to go so maybe

2738
01:38:35,270 --> 01:38:32,960
what i should do is actually tell people

2739
01:38:37,109 --> 01:38:35,280
what to expect right

2740
01:38:39,350 --> 01:38:37,119
let me just jump in i've got a quick

2741
01:38:41,910 --> 01:38:39,360
question here from our mutual friend mr

2742
01:38:43,430 --> 01:38:41,920
strafe wilson ah there we go

2743
01:38:45,430 --> 01:38:43,440
he says in the short term have you

2744
01:38:48,709 --> 01:38:45,440
thought about placing motion sensor

2745
01:38:51,270 --> 01:38:48,719
hidden cameras on the mountain

2746
01:38:52,790 --> 01:38:51,280
yeah and here's the thing it's all

2747
01:38:54,709 --> 01:38:52,800
budget right

2748
01:38:57,030 --> 01:38:54,719
yeah and it's also

2749
01:38:58,709 --> 01:38:57,040
the mountain is currently closed okay

2750
01:39:00,229 --> 01:38:58,719
the mountain's been closed for several

2751
01:39:01,830 --> 01:39:00,239
reasons but

2752
01:39:03,750 --> 01:39:01,840
one of the things we are going to do

2753
01:39:04,870 --> 01:39:03,760
when we do the project is before that

2754
01:39:06,070 --> 01:39:04,880
week that we're going to go up there

2755
01:39:08,070 --> 01:39:06,080
we're going to go and put wilderness

2756
01:39:10,950 --> 01:39:08,080
cameras up there 1080p wilderness

2757
01:39:12,950 --> 01:39:10,960
cameras that have got motion sensors

2758
01:39:14,550 --> 01:39:12,960
however however

2759
01:39:15,669 --> 01:39:14,560
the the

2760
01:39:17,430 --> 01:39:15,679
the being up there is gonna be

2761
01:39:18,390 --> 01:39:17,440
interesting i've got walter's gonna love

2762
01:39:19,990 --> 01:39:18,400
this

2763
01:39:22,629 --> 01:39:20,000
walter is a hunter

2764
01:39:24,310 --> 01:39:22,639
he's also a drone pilot

2765
01:39:27,030 --> 01:39:24,320
and walter has

2766
01:39:28,390 --> 01:39:27,040
a suit it's a full camouflage suit and

2767
01:39:30,550 --> 01:39:28,400
it's got

2768
01:39:33,270 --> 01:39:30,560
and

2769
01:39:36,070 --> 01:39:33,280
a system inside that dampens

2770
01:39:37,910 --> 01:39:36,080
your personal magnetic field for when

2771
01:39:40,070 --> 01:39:37,920
he's hunting which means

2772
01:39:41,750 --> 01:39:40,080
he's saying he can go out and like a

2773
01:39:43,350 --> 01:39:41,760
turkey will just walk past him won't

2774
01:39:45,189 --> 01:39:43,360
even know he's there make some invisible

2775
01:39:47,109 --> 01:39:45,199
and magnetic spectrum

2776
01:39:49,510 --> 01:39:47,119
right we're gonna put walter up and out

2777
01:39:51,910 --> 01:39:49,520
and see how that interferes or otherwise

2778
01:39:53,109 --> 01:39:51,920
with lights if they should occur

2779
01:39:55,030 --> 01:39:53,119
because lots of people say it's a

2780
01:40:00,950 --> 01:39:55,040
magnetic phenomenon it's it's that this

2781
01:40:04,950 --> 01:40:02,310
vinnie i'm going to have to try to cut

2782
01:40:06,790 --> 01:40:04,960
this off one second

2783
01:40:08,070 --> 01:40:06,800
no worries man

2784
01:40:11,669 --> 01:40:08,080
i don't i just don't see where that's

2785
01:40:15,830 --> 01:40:13,990
anyway so we're back on the screen what

2786
01:40:17,590 --> 01:40:15,840
i should maybe do is

2787
01:40:19,669 --> 01:40:17,600
tell people what we're actually going to

2788
01:40:21,350 --> 01:40:19,679
be offering here in columbia this week

2789
01:40:22,950 --> 01:40:21,360
in february

2790
01:40:25,510 --> 01:40:22,960
do it we're going to pick people up at

2791
01:40:27,189 --> 01:40:25,520
the airport when they arrive

2792
01:40:29,510 --> 01:40:27,199
we are going to drive them north of

2793
01:40:32,390 --> 01:40:29,520
bogota into the country they're going to

2794
01:40:33,669 --> 01:40:32,400
get taken to a 100 year old thinker a

2795
01:40:35,750 --> 01:40:33,679
mansion they're going to be given their

2796
01:40:37,350 --> 01:40:35,760
own room they're going to meet the team

2797
01:40:39,830 --> 01:40:37,360
they're going to be fed a range of

2798
01:40:41,430 --> 01:40:39,840
classic colombian cuisine all week

2799
01:40:43,030 --> 01:40:41,440
they're going to be looked after

2800
01:40:45,109 --> 01:40:43,040
like kings

2801
01:40:47,030 --> 01:40:45,119
they are going to have late nights maybe

2802
01:40:48,709 --> 01:40:47,040
some early mornings

2803
01:40:50,629 --> 01:40:48,719
and what we're going to do is each

2804
01:40:52,550 --> 01:40:50,639
morning we're going to start with a

2805
01:40:54,070 --> 01:40:52,560
modern uap case

2806
01:40:55,750 --> 01:40:54,080
we're all going to go out in our jeeps

2807
01:40:57,669 --> 01:40:55,760
and we're going to go to the field and

2808
01:41:00,390 --> 01:40:57,679
we're going to record us investigating

2809
01:41:02,310 --> 01:41:00,400
the site maybe interviewing a witness at

2810
01:41:04,550 --> 01:41:02,320
the site then we're going to come back

2811
01:41:07,109 --> 01:41:04,560
and we're going to set up a roundtable

2812
01:41:09,270 --> 01:41:07,119
environment where the 12 of us

2813
01:41:11,510 --> 01:41:09,280
will pass the wheel around the table and

2814
01:41:13,830 --> 01:41:11,520
we'll describe our thoughts

2815
01:41:15,669 --> 01:41:13,840
interpretations on any photographs that

2816
01:41:16,709 --> 01:41:15,679
we are shown or given we've got lots

2817
01:41:19,030 --> 01:41:16,719
lined up

2818
01:41:21,750 --> 01:41:19,040
so we'll have 12 people's tapes

2819
01:41:23,830 --> 01:41:21,760
on 12 modern ufo cases and then as soon

2820
01:41:25,350 --> 01:41:23,840
as the lights go down at 6 pm at night

2821
01:41:28,310 --> 01:41:25,360
the boys get the camera set up and we

2822
01:41:30,470 --> 01:41:28,320
have just a troop of cameras and visual

2823
01:41:31,590 --> 01:41:30,480
sensors and imagery equipment this is

2824
01:41:33,510 --> 01:41:31,600
what's cool

2825
01:41:35,910 --> 01:41:33,520
we've got this hundred year thinker but

2826
01:41:37,430 --> 01:41:35,920
we've also got our house everyone that

2827
01:41:38,790 --> 01:41:37,440
nattie and i live in

2828
01:41:39,990 --> 01:41:38,800
so we're going to split the team some

2829
01:41:43,030 --> 01:41:40,000
nights because that's what we're going

2830
01:41:45,750 --> 01:41:43,040
to do we're going to try hopefully

2831
01:41:48,149 --> 01:41:45,760
bring to the community the first time a

2832
01:41:50,310 --> 01:41:48,159
phenomenon has been photographed from

2833
01:41:52,629 --> 01:41:50,320
two locations

2834
01:41:54,870 --> 01:41:52,639
with an angle of about four degrees of

2835
01:41:59,510 --> 01:41:54,880
heart photographing the same phenomenon

2836
01:42:00,950 --> 01:41:59,520
from two cameras one thermal one normal

2837
01:42:02,310 --> 01:42:00,960
that would be the first time that's been

2838
01:42:04,149 --> 01:42:02,320
presented because you know every time

2839
01:42:05,030 --> 01:42:04,159
something's been presented

2840
01:42:07,270 --> 01:42:05,040
your

2841
01:42:09,669 --> 01:42:07,280
skeptics in the community their prime

2842
01:42:12,830 --> 01:42:09,679
argument is it's got to have been filmed

2843
01:42:14,950 --> 01:42:12,840
on two sensors camera sensor and

2844
01:42:15,910 --> 01:42:14,960
radar you know and that's what we're

2845
01:42:17,510 --> 01:42:15,920
going to try and do we're going to have

2846
01:42:19,830 --> 01:42:17,520
we're going to set up two viewing

2847
01:42:21,750 --> 01:42:19,840
platforms from two properties so you'll

2848
01:42:23,189 --> 01:42:21,760
be getting shuttled back and forth

2849
01:42:24,390 --> 01:42:23,199
mixing it up with different people in

2850
01:42:26,149 --> 01:42:24,400
the team

2851
01:42:27,430 --> 01:42:26,159
and we're going to do that for a week

2852
01:42:29,669 --> 01:42:27,440
learning how to use cameras

2853
01:42:31,270 --> 01:42:29,679
photographing the phenomena at night

2854
01:42:32,870 --> 01:42:31,280
and um i say photographing the

2855
01:42:35,830 --> 01:42:32,880
phenomenon at night because i had three

2856
01:42:38,310 --> 01:42:35,840
sightings in the first week in february

2857
01:42:39,990 --> 01:42:38,320
three sightings in that first week

2858
01:42:41,910 --> 01:42:40,000
and you know we will set up this

2859
01:42:43,750 --> 01:42:41,920
experiment for the key experiment would

2860
01:42:46,310 --> 01:42:43,760
just have people us walking down the

2861
01:42:48,149 --> 01:42:46,320
main path was torches then we will know

2862
01:42:49,189 --> 01:42:48,159
from all of the sightings i've already

2863
01:42:51,430 --> 01:42:49,199
got

2864
01:42:53,109 --> 01:42:51,440
which are on the paths which are my

2865
01:42:55,109 --> 01:42:53,119
goodness that's look at that it's 100

2866
01:42:56,470 --> 01:42:55,119
meters on the cliff face then we can

2867
01:42:58,870 --> 01:42:56,480
look at those and say well what might

2868
01:43:01,750 --> 01:42:58,880
those be is alfresco right it's a

2869
01:43:03,510 --> 01:43:01,760
climatological scio electrical

2870
01:43:04,470 --> 01:43:03,520
phenomenon

2871
01:43:05,830 --> 01:43:04,480
is

2872
01:43:07,510 --> 01:43:05,840
you know we can start go through the

2873
01:43:09,030 --> 01:43:07,520
lists of the different interpretations

2874
01:43:11,350 --> 01:43:09,040
of it and then we come all the way down

2875
01:43:15,510 --> 01:43:11,360
to let's talk about william chavez this

2876
01:43:17,590 --> 01:43:15,520
is the ufos show so let me tell you now

2877
01:43:20,550 --> 01:43:17,600
in 1968

2878
01:43:22,790 --> 01:43:20,560
a systems engineer called william chavis

2879
01:43:25,430 --> 01:43:22,800
went to the local taboo police

2880
01:43:26,870 --> 01:43:25,440
he said i was in the top of wake last

2881
01:43:29,350 --> 01:43:26,880
night

2882
01:43:32,310 --> 01:43:29,360
and i saw a big blue orb

2883
01:43:35,030 --> 01:43:32,320
and it came down and it hit a tree

2884
01:43:36,470 --> 01:43:35,040
and i walked into that orb

2885
01:43:39,430 --> 01:43:36,480
and he said

2886
01:43:41,510 --> 01:43:39,440
he got taken to another dimension

2887
01:43:42,790 --> 01:43:41,520
and he was given lots of messages and he

2888
01:43:44,790 --> 01:43:42,800
came back

2889
01:43:46,629 --> 01:43:44,800
he said the tree was red

2890
01:43:49,510 --> 01:43:46,639
he said i was told that anybody who

2891
01:43:51,590 --> 01:43:49,520
touches that tree will be healed herein

2892
01:43:52,950 --> 01:43:51,600
this is william chavez

2893
01:43:55,270 --> 01:43:52,960
so

2894
01:43:56,870 --> 01:43:55,280
everybody at police station and tabi was

2895
01:43:59,030 --> 01:43:56,880
stunned until eight o'clock the next

2896
01:43:59,990 --> 01:43:59,040
morning and that next day

2897
01:44:02,950 --> 01:44:00,000
12

2898
01:44:03,830 --> 01:44:02,960
hikers and campers all come in and said

2899
01:44:05,990 --> 01:44:03,840
we

2900
01:44:07,430 --> 01:44:06,000
walked into lights last night from all

2901
01:44:09,030 --> 01:44:07,440
parts of the valley there was 12

2902
01:44:11,430 --> 01:44:09,040
sightings of the sea and the same

2903
01:44:12,870 --> 01:44:11,440
experience with those lights

2904
01:44:15,030 --> 01:44:12,880
how about that

2905
01:44:16,950 --> 01:44:15,040
yeah that's strange it's bizarre and of

2906
01:44:18,229 --> 01:44:16,960
course it's just this

2907
01:44:21,910 --> 01:44:18,239
whole

2908
01:44:24,550 --> 01:44:21,920
clash of modern cultural mythology and

2909
01:44:27,189 --> 01:44:24,560
interpretation with what's perhaps some

2910
01:44:29,270 --> 01:44:27,199
kind of bizarre light phenomenon that's

2911
01:44:30,629 --> 01:44:29,280
maybe witnessed in stalin or brown

2912
01:44:31,510 --> 01:44:30,639
mountain

2913
01:44:33,830 --> 01:44:31,520
and

2914
01:44:36,310 --> 01:44:33,840
it's as i say it's not we i don't care

2915
01:44:37,750 --> 01:44:36,320
so much what we prove it to be but we're

2916
01:44:39,350 --> 01:44:37,760
going to go through just this whole

2917
01:44:40,950 --> 01:44:39,360
sweet

2918
01:44:41,990 --> 01:44:40,960
of really nice

2919
01:44:44,629 --> 01:44:42,000
clean

2920
01:44:46,070 --> 01:44:44,639
formal sometimes scientific approaches

2921
01:44:48,149 --> 01:44:46,080
to try and establish what this

2922
01:44:50,790 --> 01:44:48,159
definitely isn't and hopefully we'll be

2923
01:44:53,189 --> 01:44:50,800
left with a a smaller map to investigate

2924
01:44:55,030 --> 01:44:53,199
at the end and but most importantly

2925
01:44:56,709 --> 01:44:55,040
just having a great crack in columbia

2926
01:44:58,950 --> 01:44:56,719
for a week vinnie it's really good fun

2927
01:45:00,310 --> 01:44:58,960
lots of times i can't wait i mean i just

2928
01:45:02,470 --> 01:45:00,320
want to be on top of that mountain i

2929
01:45:04,709 --> 01:45:02,480
will look at the stars and the night sky

2930
01:45:06,070 --> 01:45:04,719
see the milky way yeah you know all

2931
01:45:07,350 --> 01:45:06,080
those things aside from the

2932
01:45:08,550 --> 01:45:07,360
investigation that we're going to be

2933
01:45:09,910 --> 01:45:08,560
doing in the series we're going to be

2934
01:45:11,270 --> 01:45:09,920
filming is

2935
01:45:13,189 --> 01:45:11,280
you know i've never been to south

2936
01:45:14,709 --> 01:45:13,199
america so for me it's going to be

2937
01:45:16,950 --> 01:45:14,719
eye-opening

2938
01:45:19,030 --> 01:45:16,960
um from the second you got off the plane

2939
01:45:20,070 --> 01:45:19,040
it's everything sounds and smells

2940
01:45:21,669 --> 01:45:20,080
different and

2941
01:45:23,030 --> 01:45:21,679
then when you get to where we are you

2942
01:45:25,270 --> 01:45:23,040
know we live in this nice big safety

2943
01:45:26,709 --> 01:45:25,280
state and it's got security and stuff so

2944
01:45:28,070 --> 01:45:26,719
you're gonna be meeting our friends and

2945
01:45:29,430 --> 01:45:28,080
the people who work with us and the

2946
01:45:31,189 --> 01:45:29,440
people that love us and haters that are

2947
01:45:33,590 --> 01:45:31,199
all part of this thing and there could

2948
01:45:35,910 --> 01:45:33,600
be you know a good old group of us

2949
01:45:38,149 --> 01:45:35,920
moving around each day so

2950
01:45:39,750 --> 01:45:38,159
we're filming that story of what happens

2951
01:45:42,870 --> 01:45:39,760
when you get a bunch of folk from

2952
01:45:46,070 --> 01:45:42,880
america england colombia

2953
01:45:47,510 --> 01:45:46,080
ecuador all in different places

2954
01:45:49,350 --> 01:45:47,520
all with the different backgrounds

2955
01:45:50,870 --> 01:45:49,360
different points of view going back to

2956
01:45:52,070 --> 01:45:50,880
that very first picture i showed you

2957
01:45:53,830 --> 01:45:52,080
when you said

2958
01:45:56,709 --> 01:45:53,840
this is either

2959
01:45:57,830 --> 01:45:56,719
a being or a mantis

2960
01:46:00,870 --> 01:45:57,840
whereby

2961
01:46:03,109 --> 01:46:00,880
julio sees the goddess waika you're both

2962
01:46:05,109 --> 01:46:03,119
looking at the same picture of the same

2963
01:46:07,510 --> 01:46:05,119
thing and i want that's what i want to

2964
01:46:11,510 --> 01:46:07,520
trap as a filmmaker is

2965
01:46:14,070 --> 01:46:11,520
phenomenology and how how um

2966
01:46:16,470 --> 01:46:14,080
how approaches to the whole thing can

2967
01:46:19,109 --> 01:46:16,480
either contaminate or enlighten the

2968
01:46:20,310 --> 01:46:19,119
whole whole community

2969
01:46:21,910 --> 01:46:20,320
that's amazing i'm just going to

2970
01:46:24,470 --> 01:46:21,920
highlight this coming here andy from

2971
01:46:26,470 --> 01:46:24,480
that ufo podcast how's it going andy

2972
01:46:28,390 --> 01:46:26,480
says i'll happily send down to colombia

2973
01:46:31,189 --> 01:46:28,400
can we do a gofundme

2974
01:46:32,790 --> 01:46:31,199
let's get it so no no no no no no he

2975
01:46:34,790 --> 01:46:32,800
thinks andy's there going haha he read

2976
01:46:36,550 --> 01:46:34,800
that out let's do it

2977
01:46:37,590 --> 01:46:36,560
let's do that if daddy had come to

2978
01:46:38,629 --> 01:46:37,600
colombia

2979
01:46:40,229 --> 01:46:38,639
listen i'll be picking everybody

2980
01:46:41,590 --> 01:46:40,239
personally up at the airport anyway but

2981
01:46:43,990 --> 01:46:41,600
i will go

2982
01:46:45,590 --> 01:46:44,000
i'll get tiger's t-seat skins if dan's

2983
01:46:46,629 --> 01:46:45,600
coming he'll get the red card for

2984
01:46:48,390 --> 01:46:46,639
treatment

2985
01:46:49,830 --> 01:46:48,400
of course that would be amazing because

2986
01:46:52,709 --> 01:46:49,840
here's the thing

2987
01:46:54,709 --> 01:46:52,719
think about it if dan was to stream live

2988
01:46:56,629 --> 01:46:54,719
on their platform hey stand in columbia

2989
01:46:58,550 --> 01:46:56,639
every day for a week you too you could

2990
01:47:00,550 --> 01:46:58,560
be streaming disclosure team from the

2991
01:47:01,830 --> 01:47:00,560
top of the mountain

2992
01:47:03,030 --> 01:47:01,840
you're in your bed the next day with the

2993
01:47:05,590 --> 01:47:03,040
mountain now you've had breakfast in

2994
01:47:07,510 --> 01:47:05,600
february scramblers and you know you

2995
01:47:09,270 --> 01:47:07,520
could be doing some really cool stuff

2996
01:47:10,070 --> 01:47:09,280
and maybe you can dan could do

2997
01:47:11,910 --> 01:47:10,080
so

2998
01:47:13,270 --> 01:47:11,920
go and do that do a crowdfund me get it

2999
01:47:14,870 --> 01:47:13,280
out there before christmas because we

3000
01:47:16,870 --> 01:47:14,880
got till february

3001
01:47:18,870 --> 01:47:16,880
and there's another thing i should say

3002
01:47:20,550 --> 01:47:18,880
i'm going to say this now because i know

3003
01:47:21,590 --> 01:47:20,560
lots of folk are going to be thinking it

3004
01:47:23,270 --> 01:47:21,600
is

3005
01:47:25,830 --> 01:47:23,280
all right i'm gonna what let me use lou

3006
01:47:28,790 --> 01:47:25,840
elizondo who's a good example

3007
01:47:31,750 --> 01:47:28,800
girl lou eh he comes out and says

3008
01:47:32,709 --> 01:47:31,760
what 77 thousand hours of podcast for

3009
01:47:34,149 --> 01:47:32,719
nothing

3010
01:47:35,750 --> 01:47:34,159
and then he goes and says i'm publishing

3011
01:47:36,709 --> 01:47:35,760
a book and everyone's like ah you're not

3012
01:47:38,709 --> 01:47:36,719
allowed to do that now you're not

3013
01:47:41,830 --> 01:47:38,719
allowed to make money with your

3014
01:47:44,149 --> 01:47:41,840
it's terrible so for those who think i'm

3015
01:47:46,790 --> 01:47:44,159
in this to make a fortune

3016
01:47:49,030 --> 01:47:46,800
if you go to history fars.com

3017
01:47:51,430 --> 01:47:49,040
phenomenology and press the register

3018
01:47:54,070 --> 01:47:51,440
interested button for the costs

3019
01:47:56,229 --> 01:47:54,080
you will see that you get to spend

3020
01:47:58,470 --> 01:47:56,239
a week in columbia with one of the most

3021
01:48:02,550 --> 01:47:58,480
popular and likable media faces in the

3022
01:48:06,629 --> 01:48:05,109
all in for less than a shitty tour with

3023
01:48:08,950 --> 01:48:06,639
a bunch of strangers for a week of the

3024
01:48:11,189 --> 01:48:08,960
bus actually for less than your tour

3025
01:48:12,870 --> 01:48:11,199
around colombia with the rubbishy food

3026
01:48:15,910 --> 01:48:12,880
you've got the whole phenomenology film

3027
01:48:18,310 --> 01:48:15,920
experience you feature in series one and

3028
01:48:20,950 --> 01:48:18,320
we're only looking for you know the the

3029
01:48:22,470 --> 01:48:20,960
six four or six public participants

3030
01:48:23,990 --> 01:48:22,480
which will greatly fund the whole thing

3031
01:48:26,229 --> 01:48:24,000
in the three two or three months of

3032
01:48:28,629 --> 01:48:26,239
editing and mastering afterwards for us

3033
01:48:30,310 --> 01:48:28,639
to get this out as series one because

3034
01:48:32,709 --> 01:48:30,320
series two we've got

3035
01:48:34,709 --> 01:48:32,719
big plans for series two and we'll talk

3036
01:48:36,790 --> 01:48:34,719
about that you know when we're on series

3037
01:48:39,750 --> 01:48:36,800
one

3038
01:48:41,510 --> 01:48:39,760
just can't believe i can't wait to get

3039
01:48:43,990 --> 01:48:41,520
you you're gonna be

3040
01:48:45,189 --> 01:48:44,000
like so out of your comfort zone i can't

3041
01:48:47,270 --> 01:48:45,199
wait to see you go through all the

3042
01:48:49,350 --> 01:48:47,280
terrors that i went through

3043
01:48:52,310 --> 01:48:49,360
hey i can't wait i'm ready for it bring

3044
01:48:55,430 --> 01:48:52,320
it on i want it to break me

3045
01:48:57,350 --> 01:48:55,440
don't say that no colombia has such

3046
01:48:58,709 --> 01:48:57,360
stereotypes i always say you know people

3047
01:49:00,870 --> 01:48:58,719
get a bit scared when they think about

3048
01:49:03,910 --> 01:49:00,880
columbia i got terrified i still am at

3049
01:49:06,790 --> 01:49:03,920
times however this is the thing

3050
01:49:09,750 --> 01:49:06,800
if you believe everything about

3051
01:49:13,189 --> 01:49:09,760
if you think of colombia

3052
01:49:15,030 --> 01:49:13,199
as you lift from narcos and netflix

3053
01:49:17,030 --> 01:49:15,040
you would then have to think everybody

3054
01:49:18,470 --> 01:49:17,040
in scotland is like the people in

3055
01:49:21,189 --> 01:49:18,480
trainspotting

3056
01:49:23,510 --> 01:49:21,199
and it's just not the case you know

3057
01:49:25,109 --> 01:49:23,520
it's not the trouble in colombia

3058
01:49:27,350 --> 01:49:25,119
traditionally happens on the west coast

3059
01:49:29,669 --> 01:49:27,360
and we're in the east beside bogota so

3060
01:49:31,830 --> 01:49:29,679
we are in the valley of the gods it's a

3061
01:49:32,790 --> 01:49:31,840
truly beautiful part of colombia and

3062
01:49:35,589 --> 01:49:32,800
there's no

3063
01:49:37,830 --> 01:49:35,599
poisonous animals you know it's a nice

3064
01:49:39,510 --> 01:49:37,840
that side of it's safe but you know

3065
01:49:40,870 --> 01:49:39,520
it's it's an adventure we're going to be

3066
01:49:43,830 --> 01:49:40,880
going up hills and

3067
01:49:45,510 --> 01:49:43,840
it's going to be great fun filming all

3068
01:49:46,950 --> 01:49:45,520
these folk out of their comfort zones

3069
01:49:48,470 --> 01:49:46,960
that's what i love most about it because

3070
01:49:50,070 --> 01:49:48,480
it's not easy some of the places we're

3071
01:49:52,310 --> 01:49:50,080
going and

3072
01:49:54,310 --> 01:49:52,320
what you said about the astronomy like

3073
01:49:57,030 --> 01:49:54,320
to be on top of wack at night and to be

3074
01:49:59,350 --> 01:49:57,040
looking down over so much going on like

3075
01:50:02,149 --> 01:49:59,360
imagine this you're looking down and

3076
01:50:03,910 --> 01:50:02,159
five miles to the south is el dorado

3077
01:50:06,470 --> 01:50:03,920
bogota airport

3078
01:50:08,790 --> 01:50:06,480
so you're actually watching all these

3079
01:50:10,629 --> 01:50:08,800
helicopters military helicopters

3080
01:50:12,470 --> 01:50:10,639
circling and then you'll see

3081
01:50:14,550 --> 01:50:12,480
four planes being put on a circular

3082
01:50:16,149 --> 01:50:14,560
flight pattern and then in the middle of

3083
01:50:17,910 --> 01:50:16,159
it you'll see a drone coming up from the

3084
01:50:19,990 --> 01:50:17,920
military base and then behind you you'll

3085
01:50:21,430 --> 01:50:20,000
see something from the police the police

3086
01:50:23,189 --> 01:50:21,440
will be putting their security lights on

3087
01:50:25,669 --> 01:50:23,199
on the other mountain top

3088
01:50:29,189 --> 01:50:25,679
and what you do is get a real

3089
01:50:31,270 --> 01:50:29,199
real clear kind of understanding for

3090
01:50:32,070 --> 01:50:31,280
how careful you've got to be before you

3091
01:50:36,709 --> 01:50:32,080
go

3092
01:50:39,030 --> 01:50:36,719
before you get there that's what i'm

3093
01:50:41,109 --> 01:50:39,040
going to show a lot look that's just

3094
01:50:43,510 --> 01:50:41,119
that's just chemical thermal and

3095
01:50:44,950 --> 01:50:43,520
climatological possibilities for a light

3096
01:50:46,149 --> 01:50:44,960
forget the rest

3097
01:50:47,750 --> 01:50:46,159
so that's what the show's going to do

3098
01:50:48,550 --> 01:50:47,760
it's going to just broaden up and show

3099
01:50:49,990 --> 01:50:48,560
how

3100
01:50:52,070 --> 01:50:50,000
all sorts of people tackle it and we've

3101
01:50:53,990 --> 01:50:52,080
got full care from not within the ufo

3102
01:50:56,070 --> 01:50:54,000
community like myself for example but

3103
01:50:57,830 --> 01:50:56,080
we've also got

3104
01:51:00,149 --> 01:50:57,840
a really interesting fellow from bogota

3105
01:51:01,910 --> 01:51:00,159
his grandfather was a professor who

3106
01:51:04,070 --> 01:51:01,920
wrote the first

3107
01:51:06,870 --> 01:51:04,080
geography paper on the mountain itself

3108
01:51:08,950 --> 01:51:06,880
so we've got we're gonna have an idea

3109
01:51:11,030 --> 01:51:08,960
for the magnetic loads within the

3110
01:51:13,669 --> 01:51:11,040
mountain are most prevalent

3111
01:51:15,430 --> 01:51:13,679
if we can relate that to the photographs

3112
01:51:17,030 --> 01:51:15,440
of light phenomenon we might find that

3113
01:51:19,189 --> 01:51:17,040
yep this is

3114
01:51:21,990 --> 01:51:19,199
really rare climatological phenomena

3115
01:51:24,390 --> 01:51:22,000
called the andes lights first confirmed

3116
01:51:26,870 --> 01:51:24,400
in 18 1933.

3117
01:51:29,910 --> 01:51:26,880
danny if you come to colombia for a week

3118
01:51:31,830 --> 01:51:29,920
and you leave we present the first

3119
01:51:34,149 --> 01:51:31,840
photographs of the andean lights that

3120
01:51:36,470 --> 01:51:34,159
are a hundred years have been reported

3121
01:51:37,990 --> 01:51:36,480
we've succeeded huge that's a great

3122
01:51:39,910 --> 01:51:38,000
thing to do

3123
01:51:41,589 --> 01:51:39,920
absolutely man yeah like

3124
01:51:44,629 --> 01:51:41,599
you know i am coming out here from that

3125
01:51:47,669 --> 01:51:44,639
ufo angle but it doesn't mean it has to

3126
01:51:50,470 --> 01:51:47,679
be that be all and end all for me it's

3127
01:51:52,470 --> 01:51:50,480
it's just being a part of something so

3128
01:51:54,229 --> 01:51:52,480
important and

3129
01:51:57,990 --> 01:51:54,239
yeah it's just mind-blowing i've never

3130
01:51:59,030 --> 01:51:58,000
said no you never said no when i was not

3131
01:52:01,270 --> 01:51:59,040
no

3132
01:52:04,149 --> 01:52:01,280
i said i said today

3133
01:52:05,990 --> 01:52:04,159
there's just no way and she was like why

3134
01:52:08,070 --> 01:52:06,000
and i'll be honest with you i said he's

3135
01:52:10,310 --> 01:52:08,080
got a green screen there with some star

3136
01:52:12,390 --> 01:52:10,320
wars thing behind him he's not coming to

3137
01:52:13,830 --> 01:52:12,400
a mountain in colombia

3138
01:52:15,189 --> 01:52:13,840
that was what i thought the crack could

3139
01:52:17,270 --> 01:52:15,199
be and i phoned you up and you're like

3140
01:52:18,870 --> 01:52:17,280
hi i'll be there i thought i was going

3141
01:52:21,270 --> 01:52:18,880
to have to hike through a rig of people

3142
01:52:23,430 --> 01:52:21,280
before i'd find someone that clicked

3143
01:52:25,270 --> 01:52:23,440
but i all that's why i got to you

3144
01:52:27,430 --> 01:52:25,280
right at the start before you were only

3145
01:52:29,270 --> 01:52:27,440
a few thousand people in maybe

3146
01:52:31,270 --> 01:52:29,280
no you were a bit more i think you were

3147
01:52:32,790 --> 01:52:31,280
six thousand on instagram when i started

3148
01:52:33,830 --> 01:52:32,800
watching you

3149
01:52:35,589 --> 01:52:33,840
and it was

3150
01:52:38,229 --> 01:52:35,599
right then when that whole world

3151
01:52:40,390 --> 01:52:38,239
remember everyone's on fire last year

3152
01:52:42,149 --> 01:52:40,400
every morning was a new thing and the

3153
01:52:44,629 --> 01:52:42,159
lead up to the pentagon paper coming

3154
01:52:46,790 --> 01:52:44,639
yeah do you remember that absolutely

3155
01:52:47,990 --> 01:52:46,800
and everyone was crackling from every

3156
01:52:51,350 --> 01:52:48,000
and i watched all the different

3157
01:52:53,589 --> 01:52:51,360
podcasters andy mcgrill and i think his

3158
01:52:54,950 --> 01:52:53,599
podcast and your own are the two i just

3159
01:52:57,270 --> 01:52:54,960
listened to them both

3160
01:52:59,350 --> 01:52:57,280
all the time i listened to

3161
01:53:01,510 --> 01:52:59,360
you know what i do i listen to all the

3162
01:53:03,189 --> 01:53:01,520
podcast material and films i can listen

3163
01:53:05,109 --> 01:53:03,199
to but i also watch do you know who i

3164
01:53:07,109 --> 01:53:05,119
check i've got this a dirty secret in

3165
01:53:09,990 --> 01:53:07,119
the morning i always go and have a look

3166
01:53:11,350 --> 01:53:10,000
and see what mick west's got to say i do

3167
01:53:13,830 --> 01:53:11,360
i think it's

3168
01:53:16,550 --> 01:53:13,840
so interesting to see

3169
01:53:18,310 --> 01:53:16,560
what comes forward in the wave of ufos

3170
01:53:20,390 --> 01:53:18,320
and then what comes from him because

3171
01:53:22,229 --> 01:53:20,400
what i find really funny and a little

3172
01:53:23,990 --> 01:53:22,239
bit sad heart was out from shout outs to

3173
01:53:26,390 --> 01:53:24,000
mick west

3174
01:53:28,229 --> 01:53:26,400
kind of on his own right

3175
01:53:30,629 --> 01:53:28,239
he's got that he's got the metabunk

3176
01:53:32,070 --> 01:53:30,639
thing there that works away and stuff

3177
01:53:33,750 --> 01:53:32,080
but it's um

3178
01:53:36,149 --> 01:53:33,760
we want that in the film we want people

3179
01:53:38,390 --> 01:53:36,159
from that whole metabank extreme all the

3180
01:53:40,950 --> 01:53:38,400
way through to the believer's extreme i

3181
01:53:43,430 --> 01:53:40,960
think dan there from the that ufo

3182
01:53:45,270 --> 01:53:43,440
podcast maybe represents that you know

3183
01:53:47,750 --> 01:53:45,280
he's sort of the guy that's

3184
01:53:50,629 --> 01:53:47,760
right into the exploring what this might

3185
01:53:52,629 --> 01:53:50,639
all be things he's more into sort of

3186
01:53:54,550 --> 01:53:52,639
chewing around the scientific ideas not

3187
01:53:57,189 --> 01:53:54,560
as quick to jump into some of the more

3188
01:53:59,109 --> 01:53:57,199
extreme ones so while andy was joking

3189
01:54:01,270 --> 01:53:59,119
there they'd be great but also just

3190
01:54:03,589 --> 01:54:01,280
people who have been locked up for two

3191
01:54:05,669 --> 01:54:03,599
years vinny because you can get here now

3192
01:54:08,070 --> 01:54:05,679
you get a corona test and two days later

3193
01:54:09,430 --> 01:54:08,080
you're on a plane yeah and i was looking

3194
01:54:10,950 --> 01:54:09,440
at flights to come and see my mum and

3195
01:54:14,629 --> 01:54:10,960
dad in scotland

3196
01:54:17,109 --> 01:54:14,639
and i could you can get to the uk

3197
01:54:18,950 --> 01:54:17,119
for like twice the cost of a

3198
01:54:20,950 --> 01:54:18,960
bus from ember nest to london you know

3199
01:54:22,390 --> 01:54:20,960
it's not expensive to fly to columbia

3200
01:54:23,990 --> 01:54:22,400
just now

3201
01:54:25,430 --> 01:54:24,000
so you know we're going to put this week

3202
01:54:27,589 --> 01:54:25,440
out there we look forward to seeing

3203
01:54:29,750 --> 01:54:27,599
people applying today tonight and over

3204
01:54:31,109 --> 01:54:29,760
the next few weeks and we'll speak to

3205
01:54:32,550 --> 01:54:31,119
people and see

3206
01:54:34,390 --> 01:54:32,560
you know what they've got to bring to

3207
01:54:35,750 --> 01:54:34,400
the party and we'll get a good team

3208
01:54:37,750 --> 01:54:35,760
together and get underway there in the

3209
01:54:39,990 --> 01:54:37,760
9th to the 16th

3210
01:54:42,070 --> 01:54:40,000
great i just think it's so funny well i

3211
01:54:44,870 --> 01:54:42,080
what i want to do is um

3212
01:54:46,870 --> 01:54:44,880
leave you on your own quite a lot

3213
01:54:48,229 --> 01:54:46,880
yeah please do

3214
01:54:51,030 --> 01:54:48,239
just yeah

3215
01:54:52,709 --> 01:54:51,040
you get to experience colombia not well

3216
01:54:54,390 --> 01:54:52,719
in the ufo context of course you're

3217
01:54:56,229 --> 01:54:54,400
going to meet

3218
01:54:58,149 --> 01:54:56,239
it's like it's

3219
01:54:59,589 --> 01:54:58,159
it's really really ingrained in the

3220
01:55:00,950 --> 01:54:59,599
culture you're going to see that this

3221
01:55:02,550 --> 01:55:00,960
albany thing

3222
01:55:04,070 --> 01:55:02,560
you're you're going to find that there's

3223
01:55:06,149 --> 01:55:04,080
nobody many people are going to be

3224
01:55:07,350 --> 01:55:06,159
listening to this being torches there's

3225
01:55:09,510 --> 01:55:07,360
not many folks are going to have this

3226
01:55:11,109 --> 01:55:09,520
being climate logical right they're more

3227
01:55:13,910 --> 01:55:11,119
interested in whether it was a tech tank

3228
01:55:16,709 --> 01:55:13,920
or whether it was the nazi bell

3229
01:55:19,270 --> 01:55:16,719
it really is just hardcore out here

3230
01:55:21,830 --> 01:55:19,280
no no that's i i want to be left stick a

3231
01:55:23,189 --> 01:55:21,840
camera on me watch my reactions see how

3232
01:55:33,030 --> 01:55:23,199
i

3233
01:55:34,790 --> 01:55:33,040
project 110

3234
01:55:36,149 --> 01:55:34,800
yeah and you're going to be you'll be

3235
01:55:37,669 --> 01:55:36,159
there you'll be working with everybody

3236
01:55:39,270 --> 01:55:37,679
we're all going to be at the same level

3237
01:55:40,390 --> 01:55:39,280
you know there's no leaders we don't

3238
01:55:41,669 --> 01:55:40,400
need team leaders we're all going to be

3239
01:55:43,669 --> 01:55:41,679
working through

3240
01:55:45,350 --> 01:55:43,679
it's kind of these these these set

3241
01:55:46,310 --> 01:55:45,360
things you know we're going to be

3242
01:55:47,990 --> 01:55:46,320
working through our different

3243
01:55:49,510 --> 01:55:48,000
experiments trying to put these controls

3244
01:55:51,109 --> 01:55:49,520
in place in the mountain and if we can

3245
01:55:53,270 --> 01:55:51,119
leave with having this

3246
01:55:55,990 --> 01:55:53,280
a map an orthostatic map what i mean by

3247
01:55:58,149 --> 01:55:56,000
that is it's filmed with a big drone at

3248
01:55:59,510 --> 01:55:58,159
night with the thermal

3249
01:56:01,109 --> 01:55:59,520
camera

3250
01:56:02,229 --> 01:56:01,119
and then

3251
01:56:03,669 --> 01:56:02,239
that

3252
01:56:04,629 --> 01:56:03,679
video footage

3253
01:56:07,510 --> 01:56:04,639
is

3254
01:56:09,990 --> 01:56:07,520
turned into gps data it's turned into an

3255
01:56:12,470 --> 01:56:10,000
orthostatic data map and from that you

3256
01:56:15,669 --> 01:56:12,480
can make a three-dimensional visual off

3257
01:56:18,149 --> 01:56:15,679
the mountain yeah and that's accurate to

3258
01:56:20,709 --> 01:56:18,159
like he's walter's got that centimeter

3259
01:56:21,430 --> 01:56:20,719
on the ground sent me a resolution so if

3260
01:56:25,270 --> 01:56:21,440
you're

3261
01:56:26,870 --> 01:56:25,280
to see it with this camera and it's

3262
01:56:28,229 --> 01:56:26,880
going to be at night so

3263
01:56:30,229 --> 01:56:28,239
that's a really interesting that's why

3264
01:56:32,229 --> 01:56:30,239
we're we've got all sorts of local

3265
01:56:33,830 --> 01:56:32,239
bodies and local groups involved in this

3266
01:56:35,030 --> 01:56:33,840
as well there's all sorts of folk coming

3267
01:56:37,109 --> 01:56:35,040
in because

3268
01:56:38,870 --> 01:56:37,119
we're kind of this is a really really

3269
01:56:41,189 --> 01:56:38,880
popular tourist destination believe it

3270
01:56:44,149 --> 01:56:41,199
or not that's tabio lots and lots of

3271
01:56:46,310 --> 01:56:44,159
folk come here to see the ufo art the

3272
01:56:47,430 --> 01:56:46,320
ufo monuments and

3273
01:56:49,270 --> 01:56:47,440
well we're going to be we're creating

3274
01:56:50,950 --> 01:56:49,280
this thing especially with uap colombia

3275
01:56:52,709 --> 01:56:50,960
being one of the bigger ufo sites we're

3276
01:56:55,030 --> 01:56:52,719
going to be publishing

3277
01:56:57,669 --> 01:56:55,040
unseen maps of the mountain we're going

3278
01:56:58,550 --> 01:56:57,679
to be publishing unseen geology

3279
01:57:00,709 --> 01:56:58,560
um

3280
01:57:02,550 --> 01:57:00,719
geographic geological papers about the

3281
01:57:04,390 --> 01:57:02,560
mountain we're going to be publishing

3282
01:57:06,470 --> 01:57:04,400
all these photographs you know

3283
01:57:08,390 --> 01:57:06,480
and again interviewing

3284
01:57:12,070 --> 01:57:08,400
people military eyewitnesses and also

3285
01:57:14,229 --> 01:57:12,080
just farmers who will quite happily tell

3286
01:57:15,350 --> 01:57:14,239
you they've interacted with

3287
01:57:16,790 --> 01:57:15,360
it's extraordinary it's

3288
01:57:17,669 --> 01:57:16,800
interdimensionals here vinnie that's

3289
01:57:19,030 --> 01:57:17,679
what you're going to learn and you know

3290
01:57:22,470 --> 01:57:19,040
it's even more specific i don't know if

3291
01:57:25,750 --> 01:57:22,480
you've heard of this phenomenon but

3292
01:57:26,870 --> 01:57:25,760
the deep the hardcore ufologists in the

3293
01:57:29,109 --> 01:57:26,880
valley

3294
01:57:31,189 --> 01:57:29,119
go so far as to say

3295
01:57:34,070 --> 01:57:31,199
that the interdimensional portal at the

3296
01:57:36,390 --> 01:57:34,080
top of waika is controlled by they call

3297
01:57:39,430 --> 01:57:36,400
them lost nordicos

3298
01:57:43,430 --> 01:57:39,440
it's nordics these are

3299
01:57:45,030 --> 01:57:43,440
six and seven foot tall blonde

3300
01:57:46,470 --> 01:57:45,040
beings they're called so that's what

3301
01:57:48,229 --> 01:57:46,480
we've got in tabitha that's what people

3302
01:57:51,270 --> 01:57:48,239
need to google it's the nordic loss of

3303
01:57:53,350 --> 01:57:51,280
tabular so it's exceptionally ingrained

3304
01:57:54,149 --> 01:57:53,360
in this entire valley

3305
01:57:55,750 --> 01:57:54,159
but

3306
01:57:57,669 --> 01:57:55,760
the big thing is if we can go and find

3307
01:57:59,589 --> 01:57:57,679
that record from 1608 that would be

3308
01:58:01,270 --> 01:57:59,599
great that would be the first

3309
01:58:03,910 --> 01:58:01,280
written

3310
01:58:06,790 --> 01:58:03,920
a record of a uap this mysterious light

3311
01:58:07,990 --> 01:58:06,800
phenomenon and

3312
01:58:09,669 --> 01:58:08,000
i'm going to show video i'm going to

3313
01:58:12,390 --> 01:58:09,679
show videos of something we filmed last

3314
01:58:13,990 --> 01:58:12,400
year right in the middle just when i've

3315
01:58:14,950 --> 01:58:14,000
i'm going to i'm going to do a trick i

3316
01:58:16,229 --> 01:58:14,960
think what we're going to do in the

3317
01:58:18,629 --> 01:58:16,239
middle of the film is just when i've

3318
01:58:20,310 --> 01:58:18,639
about convinced everyone it's torches

3319
01:58:22,310 --> 01:58:20,320
i'm going to show you this film i'd

3320
01:58:24,709 --> 01:58:22,320
filmed last year and it's gonna the

3321
01:58:25,910 --> 01:58:24,719
whole thing is gonna go

3322
01:58:27,189 --> 01:58:25,920
i'll change

3323
01:58:28,870 --> 01:58:27,199
yeah but that's great that's i mean it

3324
01:58:30,950 --> 01:58:28,880
already sounds like that you know and

3325
01:58:32,629 --> 01:58:30,960
it's gonna be episodical so you know

3326
01:58:34,310 --> 01:58:32,639
like you say in this one episode you

3327
01:58:36,790 --> 01:58:34,320
might see us going into the archives to

3328
01:58:38,390 --> 01:58:36,800
look for the 1608 record the next

3329
01:58:39,750 --> 01:58:38,400
episode you might see me on my own at

3330
01:58:41,850 --> 01:58:39,760
the top of a mountain waiting for some

3331
01:58:44,149 --> 01:58:41,860
nordics to turn up

3332
01:58:45,669 --> 01:58:44,159
[Laughter]

3333
01:58:50,709 --> 01:58:45,679
having long drawn out conversations

3334
01:58:54,709 --> 01:58:52,629
isn't it interesting the nordic thing i

3335
01:58:55,910 --> 01:58:54,719
must point this out is

3336
01:58:57,990 --> 01:58:55,920
the

3337
01:58:59,350 --> 01:58:58,000
this nordic

3338
01:59:01,030 --> 01:58:59,360
sort of phenomenon that people are

3339
01:59:04,629 --> 01:59:01,040
talking about

3340
01:59:07,510 --> 01:59:04,639
is maybe it's no coincidence that

3341
01:59:10,070 --> 01:59:07,520
the nordic is the exact opposite from

3342
01:59:11,030 --> 01:59:10,080
the indigenous colombian

3343
01:59:11,990 --> 01:59:11,040
you know

3344
01:59:14,709 --> 01:59:12,000
yeah

3345
01:59:19,750 --> 01:59:14,719
this is

3346
01:59:21,189 --> 01:59:19,760
thing they can see the nordic thing so

3347
01:59:22,550 --> 01:59:21,199
it's really really interesting i don't

3348
01:59:24,390 --> 01:59:22,560
know where the whole nordic thing comes

3349
01:59:26,629 --> 01:59:24,400
from but we're going to introduce us the

3350
01:59:27,669 --> 01:59:26,639
team to people who have got thoughts on

3351
01:59:29,430 --> 01:59:27,679
that and

3352
01:59:31,830 --> 01:59:29,440
why that because it really is an

3353
01:59:33,669 --> 01:59:31,840
archetype of ufology now this nordic

3354
01:59:36,070 --> 01:59:33,679
thing so we'll have an episode on that

3355
01:59:37,990 --> 01:59:36,080
the nordics of colombia you'll vikings

3356
01:59:41,030 --> 01:59:38,000
in colombia

3357
01:59:42,470 --> 01:59:41,040
and we will we'll serialize it i think

3358
01:59:45,350 --> 01:59:42,480
it's really difficult for me as a

3359
01:59:48,390 --> 01:59:45,360
filmmaker and an editor to film

3360
01:59:50,629 --> 01:59:48,400
a week with four cameras and end up with

3361
01:59:53,750 --> 01:59:50,639
600 hours of footage and then sit down

3362
01:59:55,910 --> 01:59:53,760
and go right i've got to make this

3363
01:59:57,669 --> 01:59:55,920
interesting colorful original

3364
02:00:00,149 --> 01:59:57,679
non-repetitive

3365
02:00:01,030 --> 02:00:00,159
addictive successful

3366
02:00:02,629 --> 02:00:01,040
and

3367
02:00:05,510 --> 02:00:02,639
it's hard so what i'm going to do is

3368
02:00:07,510 --> 02:00:05,520
serialize it to give me the space to

3369
02:00:08,709 --> 02:00:07,520
break it into short films 12-minute

3370
02:00:10,870 --> 02:00:08,719
short films

3371
02:00:12,709 --> 02:00:10,880
and this will allow us to

3372
02:00:14,870 --> 02:00:12,719
explore things at much more depth

3373
02:00:16,790 --> 02:00:14,880
instead of me having 50 minutes or an

3374
02:00:18,709 --> 02:00:16,800
hour to make a movie or a documentary

3375
02:00:22,070 --> 02:00:18,719
and it's all got to go in there

3376
02:00:23,990 --> 02:00:22,080
this makes it we can just go in and and

3377
02:00:25,189 --> 02:00:24,000
it means i don't need to write a script

3378
02:00:27,510 --> 02:00:25,199
we just know

3379
02:00:30,229 --> 02:00:27,520
each day we're going to a modern uap

3380
02:00:32,149 --> 02:00:30,239
sighting case location and each night

3381
02:00:33,830 --> 02:00:32,159
we're going to be switching cameras on

3382
02:00:36,229 --> 02:00:33,840
and looking for this phenomenon that

3383
02:00:37,750 --> 02:00:36,239
generally occurs most often at this time

3384
02:00:39,430 --> 02:00:37,760
of the year

3385
02:00:40,790 --> 02:00:39,440
so it's quite set week with lots and

3386
02:00:42,550 --> 02:00:40,800
lots of fun

3387
02:00:43,589 --> 02:00:42,560
lots of barbecues and lots of good food

3388
02:00:46,550 --> 02:00:43,599
in between

3389
02:00:48,550 --> 02:00:46,560
oh i cannot wait for the food

3390
02:00:50,310 --> 02:00:48,560
oh no it did it's amazing big meat

3391
02:00:55,109 --> 02:00:50,320
eaters out here right

3392
02:00:59,669 --> 02:00:57,430
i know man i've popped the link in the

3393
02:01:00,950 --> 02:00:59,679
chat a couple of times i will as soon as

3394
02:01:03,350 --> 02:01:00,960
we we're up here

3395
02:01:04,790 --> 02:01:03,360
i'll pop it in the description below um

3396
02:01:05,990 --> 02:01:04,800
i didn't pop it in beforehand because i

3397
02:01:09,030 --> 02:01:06,000
didn't want people to go and check it

3398
02:01:10,470 --> 02:01:09,040
out before we announced it so yeah

3399
02:01:12,870 --> 02:01:10,480
and history fuzz you'll see that all

3400
02:01:14,550 --> 02:01:12,880
over my platforms next week and please

3401
02:01:16,390 --> 02:01:14,560
we're not asking any

3402
02:01:18,709 --> 02:01:16,400
big questions we think we're asking you

3403
02:01:21,430 --> 02:01:18,719
to give us 250 words to tell us why you

3404
02:01:23,030 --> 02:01:21,440
would be great in the series it's as

3405
02:01:25,109 --> 02:01:23,040
simple as that and there's no right or

3406
02:01:26,709 --> 02:01:25,119
wrong questions what we just want to

3407
02:01:27,750 --> 02:01:26,719
make sure what i want to make sure is is

3408
02:01:30,709 --> 02:01:27,760
that i

3409
02:01:32,950 --> 02:01:30,719
have a quick skype with the people

3410
02:01:34,550 --> 02:01:32,960
so that i know we don't have any crazies

3411
02:01:37,270 --> 02:01:34,560
coming simple as that but you know what

3412
02:01:39,830 --> 02:01:37,280
it's like you can have 12 a band of 12.

3413
02:01:41,109 --> 02:01:39,840
all you need is one and and

3414
02:01:42,470 --> 02:01:41,119
that's who gets all the attention all

3415
02:01:44,470 --> 02:01:42,480
week so i've just got to make sure we've

3416
02:01:46,149 --> 02:01:44,480
got some cool people that can live with

3417
02:01:47,030 --> 02:01:46,159
each other for a week i do like conflict

3418
02:01:48,790 --> 02:01:47,040
though

3419
02:01:50,950 --> 02:01:48,800
it's going to be great

3420
02:01:52,470 --> 02:01:50,960
i'm

3421
02:01:54,390 --> 02:01:52,480
no good we need differences of opinion

3422
02:01:56,550 --> 02:01:54,400
different outlooks different viewpoints

3423
02:01:58,870 --> 02:01:56,560
angles it'd be good to have people from

3424
02:02:00,390 --> 02:01:58,880
different countries i know dan has

3425
02:02:02,790 --> 02:02:00,400
already registered to the website

3426
02:02:04,709 --> 02:02:02,800
already he put that very early on yeah

3427
02:02:06,070 --> 02:02:04,719
dan has is he this is maybe turning real

3428
02:02:08,709 --> 02:02:06,080
i'll tell you now

3429
02:02:13,270 --> 02:02:10,550
all of all right you go back to olive

3430
02:02:14,470 --> 02:02:13,280
again i spoke to olive really short ago

3431
02:02:16,790 --> 02:02:14,480
and then

3432
02:02:18,390 --> 02:02:16,800
i was just talking to him about this

3433
02:02:20,709 --> 02:02:18,400
whole thing and about dan and it's so

3434
02:02:22,790 --> 02:02:20,719
funny to see that dan's all over this

3435
02:02:24,149 --> 02:02:22,800
and i think if he sends us this email

3436
02:02:25,510 --> 02:02:24,159
and i give him the quote i'll tell him

3437
02:02:27,750 --> 02:02:25,520
what the whole thing is going to cost i

3438
02:02:30,149 --> 02:02:27,760
bet he's he'll sign up in a heartbeat as

3439
02:02:32,229 --> 02:02:30,159
i said he's just said 250 words was

3440
02:02:34,470 --> 02:02:32,239
tough i tried my best though so he's

3441
02:02:35,990 --> 02:02:34,480
already done that part so he's then that

3442
02:02:37,270 --> 02:02:36,000
means he's applied what he doesn't know

3443
02:02:39,669 --> 02:02:37,280
is we just took

3444
02:02:40,300 --> 02:02:39,679
six thousand dollars off his paypal got

3445
02:02:42,629 --> 02:02:40,310
you down

3446
02:02:44,310 --> 02:02:42,639
[Laughter]

3447
02:02:46,709 --> 02:02:44,320
so yeah anybody that's in the chat right

3448
02:02:49,510 --> 02:02:46,719
now who hasn't

3449
02:02:50,790 --> 02:02:49,520
so look it's this is open to four spaces

3450
02:02:52,470 --> 02:02:50,800
to the public

3451
02:02:54,470 --> 02:02:52,480
you can sign up

3452
02:02:55,430 --> 02:02:54,480
i'll bring the website up again bear

3453
02:02:57,430 --> 02:02:55,440
with me

3454
02:02:59,430 --> 02:02:57,440
uh i'm good but listen this is a bigger

3455
02:03:01,189 --> 02:02:59,440
sale now because let's be honest

3456
02:03:02,550 --> 02:03:01,199
for if dan's coming

3457
02:03:03,910 --> 02:03:02,560
we've got

3458
02:03:05,189 --> 02:03:03,920
me

3459
02:03:06,470 --> 02:03:05,199
yourself

3460
02:03:08,870 --> 02:03:06,480
and then

3461
02:03:11,189 --> 02:03:08,880
surely who what are you gonna do say no

3462
02:03:13,189 --> 02:03:11,199
i'm just gonna do that next year that is

3463
02:03:14,950 --> 02:03:13,199
a true once in a lifetimer i think that

3464
02:03:16,629 --> 02:03:14,960
would make the film great

3465
02:03:18,629 --> 02:03:16,639
because you and man are quite different

3466
02:03:19,589 --> 02:03:18,639
you know you've both got your platforms

3467
02:03:21,270 --> 02:03:19,599
there so you could do a lot of

3468
02:03:22,870 --> 02:03:21,280
broadcasting out here so we'll see if

3469
02:03:24,229 --> 02:03:22,880
that absolutely

3470
02:03:26,470 --> 02:03:24,239
i've just popped the link back in the

3471
02:03:29,270 --> 02:03:26,480
live chat i've got the the the website

3472
02:03:30,790 --> 02:03:29,280
on the screen so you know it shows you

3473
02:03:33,109 --> 02:03:30,800
the crew

3474
02:03:34,390 --> 02:03:33,119
a little bit of the background on

3475
02:03:35,750 --> 02:03:34,400
everything we've talked about in this

3476
02:03:36,950 --> 02:03:35,760
chat the location where we're going to

3477
02:03:38,790 --> 02:03:36,960
be staying

3478
02:03:40,390 --> 02:03:38,800
what to bring your fitness your

3479
02:03:42,390 --> 02:03:40,400
insurance

3480
02:03:44,229 --> 02:03:42,400
this bit here i'll just read out is you

3481
02:03:45,990 --> 02:03:44,239
know you get to feature in series one of

3482
02:03:47,430 --> 02:03:46,000
this production the phenomena

3483
02:03:49,910 --> 02:03:47,440
phenomenology

3484
02:03:51,589 --> 02:03:49,920
you get full transportation you get six

3485
02:03:54,069 --> 02:03:51,599
nights luxury accommodation in this

3486
02:03:55,510 --> 02:03:54,079
hundred year old

3487
02:03:58,149 --> 02:03:55,520
mansion

3488
02:04:00,790 --> 02:03:58,159
all your meals three meals a day you get

3489
02:04:03,030 --> 02:04:00,800
to learn thermal nighttime photography

3490
02:04:03,830 --> 02:04:03,040
and and all sorts of stuff you know that

3491
02:04:08,629 --> 02:04:03,840
is

3492
02:04:10,709 --> 02:04:08,639
and you can find out kind of the costs

3493
02:04:13,270 --> 02:04:10,719
and stuff but it no one's making any

3494
02:04:15,430 --> 02:04:13,280
money on this at all

3495
02:04:18,149 --> 02:04:15,440
well the hope is that the hope is that

3496
02:04:19,270 --> 02:04:18,159
we make a series and then it's great and

3497
02:04:21,430 --> 02:04:19,280
then

3498
02:04:27,910 --> 02:04:21,440
some super sponsor phones us up when we

3499
02:04:31,910 --> 02:04:30,390
well exactly but forevermore what we're

3500
02:04:33,669 --> 02:04:31,920
doing is what we do every year is i do

3501
02:04:35,270 --> 02:04:33,679
tv shows as you know with

3502
02:04:37,109 --> 02:04:35,280
networks and stuff that pays the bills

3503
02:04:39,830 --> 02:04:37,119
and i write things but this is once a

3504
02:04:42,790 --> 02:04:39,840
year we make a film for the for

3505
02:04:45,510 --> 02:04:42,800
the sake of making the film and it gets

3506
02:04:47,990 --> 02:04:45,520
so light as i say we got those 12 people

3507
02:04:50,310 --> 02:04:48,000
they all chipped in a really low cost

3508
02:04:52,790 --> 02:04:50,320
and it came to this great adventure put

3509
02:04:54,550 --> 02:04:52,800
out a great film and a net win for

3510
02:04:57,270 --> 02:04:54,560
everybody involved and

3511
02:04:59,270 --> 02:04:57,280
i think what's cool about this is

3512
02:05:02,629 --> 02:04:59,280
there's a lot of folk out there that

3513
02:05:05,430 --> 02:05:02,639
have lots and lots to say but they just

3514
02:05:08,069 --> 02:05:05,440
don't have a platform to do on

3515
02:05:09,589 --> 02:05:08,079
so for anybody who's aspiring or thinks

3516
02:05:10,950 --> 02:05:09,599
they've got a voice or wants more of a

3517
02:05:12,709 --> 02:05:10,960
trumpet

3518
02:05:15,109 --> 02:05:12,719
it would just be the best place to be in

3519
02:05:17,030 --> 02:05:15,119
this film for a week with us

3520
02:05:19,270 --> 02:05:17,040
yeah absolutely man

3521
02:05:20,550 --> 02:05:19,280
well uh where are we we've gone over two

3522
02:05:21,830 --> 02:05:20,560
hours do you have any more on the

3523
02:05:24,229 --> 02:05:21,840
presentation or anything you want to

3524
02:05:25,669 --> 02:05:24,239
discuss before we kind of end

3525
02:05:27,910 --> 02:05:25,679
i've got a little more i've got a little

3526
02:05:28,870 --> 02:05:27,920
nothing gone i was just gonna say i've

3527
02:05:29,830 --> 02:05:28,880
got a little

3528
02:05:31,669 --> 02:05:29,840
uh

3529
02:05:33,510 --> 02:05:31,679
bit of music that i want to play which

3530
02:05:36,709 --> 02:05:33,520
is made by our mutual friend strafe

3531
02:05:38,470 --> 02:05:36,719
wilson in honor of alex dietrich so i'm

3532
02:05:40,069 --> 02:05:38,480
going to always

3533
02:05:40,790 --> 02:05:40,079
so listen when are you pressing play on

3534
02:05:42,550 --> 02:05:40,800
that

3535
02:05:44,950 --> 02:05:42,560
whenever we're done mate we're not in a

3536
02:05:46,470 --> 02:05:44,960
race so let me talk about strafe let me

3537
02:05:47,510 --> 02:05:46,480
tell you about strafer right listen to

3538
02:05:49,990 --> 02:05:47,520
this

3539
02:05:52,790 --> 02:05:50,000
all right so two you see two years ago

3540
02:05:54,390 --> 02:05:52,800
two must be a year and a half ago

3541
02:05:55,990 --> 02:05:54,400
i wrote an article

3542
02:05:57,910 --> 02:05:56,000
a paper was released by a team of

3543
02:06:00,229 --> 02:05:57,920
scientists at oxford

3544
02:06:03,030 --> 02:06:00,239
in the paper

3545
02:06:05,350 --> 02:06:03,040
you're not gonna like this it showed

3546
02:06:06,550 --> 02:06:05,360
the probability of life from another

3547
02:06:08,950 --> 02:06:06,560
planet

3548
02:06:10,709 --> 02:06:08,960
being infinitesimally small based on

3549
02:06:13,109 --> 02:06:10,719
their theory that the age of the

3550
02:06:14,709 --> 02:06:13,119
universe wouldn't allow it and i was

3551
02:06:16,629 --> 02:06:14,719
quoting this paper and writing about it

3552
02:06:18,069 --> 02:06:16,639
and i showed their figures and numbers

3553
02:06:20,709 --> 02:06:18,079
and i said

3554
02:06:21,750 --> 02:06:20,719
life on earth failed 40 times before it

3555
02:06:23,750 --> 02:06:21,760
took off

3556
02:06:25,669 --> 02:06:23,760
so any advanced civilization must have

3557
02:06:28,229 --> 02:06:25,679
come from deep deep deep prehistory like

3558
02:06:30,870 --> 02:06:28,239
four six billion years ago therefore

3559
02:06:32,069 --> 02:06:30,880
too far away in the past for us to ever

3560
02:06:33,990 --> 02:06:32,079
measure

3561
02:06:35,589 --> 02:06:34,000
so i get this email the next day this

3562
02:06:37,189 --> 02:06:35,599
article goes out i never bother looking

3563
02:06:37,910 --> 02:06:37,199
at the reviews or anything i just let it

3564
02:06:40,229 --> 02:06:37,920
go

3565
02:06:42,550 --> 02:06:40,239
get an email strafe wilson he's like

3566
02:06:44,069 --> 02:06:42,560
here about this article

3567
02:06:46,550 --> 02:06:44,079
he goes can you jump on the call and i'm

3568
02:06:47,910 --> 02:06:46,560
like well who is this

3569
02:06:49,669 --> 02:06:47,920
you know what i'm gonna go for this i

3570
02:06:51,990 --> 02:06:49,679
looked at his i did a bit of stalking so

3571
02:06:53,750 --> 02:06:52,000
he was looked okay he looked normal

3572
02:06:56,069 --> 02:06:53,760
normal whatever that is

3573
02:06:57,910 --> 02:06:56,079
phoned him up and i said so and he told

3574
02:06:59,430 --> 02:06:57,920
me who he was strafe

3575
02:07:00,950 --> 02:06:59,440
i said strafe

3576
02:07:01,990 --> 02:07:00,960
i've just written like a blighted

3577
02:07:03,350 --> 02:07:02,000
article

3578
02:07:04,629 --> 02:07:03,360
he says hi the community likes that

3579
02:07:06,390 --> 02:07:04,639
stuff ash

3580
02:07:09,669 --> 02:07:06,400
what because the community love a

3581
02:07:11,189 --> 02:07:09,679
challenge he goes the point is he goes

3582
02:07:13,350 --> 02:07:11,199
you came in and started talking about

3583
02:07:15,350 --> 02:07:13,360
ufos from the media so the thing went

3584
02:07:17,830 --> 02:07:15,360
viral on twitter or whatever else and

3585
02:07:20,069 --> 02:07:17,840
you know something then since that day

3586
02:07:21,589 --> 02:07:20,079
i know he did and he said he said you

3587
02:07:23,510 --> 02:07:21,599
should really be thinking about doing

3588
02:07:25,669 --> 02:07:23,520
more with this and straight i had a talk

3589
02:07:27,030 --> 02:07:25,679
with strafe and

3590
02:07:29,109 --> 02:07:27,040
i thought to myself you know what i

3591
02:07:31,030 --> 02:07:29,119
thought i thought it's been quite a

3592
02:07:34,229 --> 02:07:31,040
while in my life that i've ever met

3593
02:07:36,069 --> 02:07:34,239
someone so straight unhonest and just

3594
02:07:38,149 --> 02:07:36,079
downright decent and i thought that's

3595
02:07:40,870 --> 02:07:38,159
funny that's coming from the cranky ufo

3596
02:07:43,270 --> 02:07:40,880
community right and it turns out he's

3597
02:07:46,069 --> 02:07:43,280
introduced me to you

3598
02:07:48,069 --> 02:07:46,079
to so many other people and he's a quiet

3599
02:07:49,189 --> 02:07:48,079
man you know he gets really good you get

3600
02:07:50,870 --> 02:07:49,199
scottish aggressive we'll look at the

3601
02:07:53,589 --> 02:07:50,880
incredible hulk and on twitter sometimes

3602
02:07:56,629 --> 02:07:53,599
he's brutal doesn't matter he's made a

3603
02:07:58,069 --> 02:07:56,639
lot of people and so i do believe yeah

3604
02:07:59,189 --> 02:07:58,079
he's done us a new song what are you

3605
02:08:01,510 --> 02:07:59,199
saying though it was a song about

3606
02:08:02,950 --> 02:08:01,520
dietrich dietrich

3607
02:08:05,030 --> 02:08:02,960
um

3608
02:08:06,950 --> 02:08:05,040
yeah it's for alex dietrich obviously he

3609
02:08:09,350 --> 02:08:06,960
was involved with the nimitz case um

3610
02:08:11,589 --> 02:08:09,360
it's not a vocal song it's just like an

3611
02:08:13,669 --> 02:08:11,599
instrumental um but he's got olaf

3612
02:08:14,950 --> 02:08:13,679
rockner to do a piece of artwork

3613
02:08:17,189 --> 02:08:14,960
for the for the song so what i'm going

3614
02:08:19,350 --> 02:08:17,199
to be showing is is a still piece of

3615
02:08:21,910 --> 02:08:19,360
artwork with straight or only a couple

3616
02:08:23,750 --> 02:08:21,920
of minutes of strafe's song behind it

3617
02:08:25,510 --> 02:08:23,760
can you see me

3618
02:08:27,350 --> 02:08:25,520
yeah of course i can how long have you

3619
02:08:29,669 --> 02:08:27,360
seen before

3620
02:08:30,629 --> 02:08:29,679
how long have i seen you hmm the whole

3621
02:08:33,030 --> 02:08:30,639
time

3622
02:08:34,390 --> 02:08:33,040
so i thought we had my slash slide on

3623
02:08:36,069 --> 02:08:34,400
the screen there

3624
02:08:38,470 --> 02:08:36,079
yeah i keep switching between things and

3625
02:08:40,069 --> 02:08:38,480
that all right that's cool that's fine

3626
02:08:41,430 --> 02:08:40,079
because if you're talking and we're not

3627
02:08:43,510 --> 02:08:41,440
talking about what's on screen i'd

3628
02:08:45,270 --> 02:08:43,520
rather people see more of you but i'd

3629
02:08:47,750 --> 02:08:45,280
actually like to see you for a second

3630
02:08:50,310 --> 02:08:47,760
though i'm just looking at you if you go

3631
02:08:51,750 --> 02:08:50,320
to just a stream yard now ah there we go

3632
02:08:54,390 --> 02:08:51,760
look at it oh you look good today he's

3633
02:08:58,709 --> 02:08:56,149
everyone watching ash has been mad in

3634
02:08:59,990 --> 02:08:58,719
black not been seeing anything

3635
02:09:01,990 --> 02:09:00,000
he's not seen he's been looking at his

3636
02:09:03,510 --> 02:09:02,000
presentation the whole time so that just

3637
02:09:05,750 --> 02:09:03,520
shows how professional he is because

3638
02:09:07,510 --> 02:09:05,760
he's been killing it

3639
02:09:10,950 --> 02:09:07,520
because i've not seen you this is the

3640
02:09:12,550 --> 02:09:10,960
first time since the start

3641
02:09:13,830 --> 02:09:12,560
all right wow look at you the man in

3642
02:09:16,790 --> 02:09:13,840
black

3643
02:09:21,030 --> 02:09:18,470
is it weird now

3644
02:09:22,310 --> 02:09:21,040
no no you know

3645
02:09:24,149 --> 02:09:22,320
yeah as it's gone look how

3646
02:09:26,709 --> 02:09:24,159
self-conscious i've become that i can

3647
02:09:29,350 --> 02:09:26,719
see myself on the screen that's pathetic

3648
02:09:32,550 --> 02:09:31,109
that's a good thing how are you listen

3649
02:09:34,229 --> 02:09:32,560
let me ask a few questions have you been

3650
02:09:36,069 --> 02:09:34,239
on have you done a camera a film thing

3651
02:09:38,629 --> 02:09:36,079
before have you done sort of

3652
02:09:39,830 --> 02:09:38,639
here's a mic and shut up and do that

3653
02:09:41,990 --> 02:09:39,840
don't do that

3654
02:09:44,550 --> 02:09:42,000
yeah i did like i did

3655
02:09:46,709 --> 02:09:44,560
tv work when i was like 12 years old and

3656
02:09:48,310 --> 02:09:46,719
stuff what was that the bulk of our kid

3657
02:09:51,109 --> 02:09:48,320
there's like channel 4

3658
02:09:52,629 --> 02:09:51,119
channel 4 schools programs and stuff so

3659
02:09:54,629 --> 02:09:52,639
i used to go drive i used to go to drama

3660
02:09:57,270 --> 02:09:54,639
school and stuff when i was 12. so you

3661
02:09:59,510 --> 02:09:57,280
know it's a long time ago obviously but

3662
02:10:01,189 --> 02:09:59,520
you know i'm on camera here doing in

3663
02:10:03,669 --> 02:10:01,199
youtube and instagram for the last few

3664
02:10:05,589 --> 02:10:03,679
years yeah the nice thing about

3665
02:10:06,870 --> 02:10:05,599
everybody that's sorry i couldn't be

3666
02:10:08,069 --> 02:10:06,880
there carry on

3667
02:10:10,310 --> 02:10:08,079
no no i was just saying it's only been

3668
02:10:12,470 --> 02:10:10,320
six months here but i did instagram live

3669
02:10:14,149 --> 02:10:12,480
sort of almost nine ten months so i

3670
02:10:17,189 --> 02:10:14,159
kinda i'm used to being in front of the

3671
02:10:19,189 --> 02:10:17,199
camera but i don't care

3672
02:10:21,030 --> 02:10:19,199
anybody that's writing in or interested

3673
02:10:23,189 --> 02:10:21,040
in coming and joining us is

3674
02:10:25,270 --> 02:10:23,199
we never give out a script and we never

3675
02:10:29,030 --> 02:10:25,280
ask people to say things

3676
02:10:31,189 --> 02:10:29,040
what we might do is if i see if you say

3677
02:10:33,430 --> 02:10:31,199
just saw a bloody great tic-tac and

3678
02:10:35,510 --> 02:10:33,440
somebody clunks a coffee when you said

3679
02:10:38,229 --> 02:10:35,520
dick i'll say it right

3680
02:10:40,229 --> 02:10:38,239
shut up just say saw a bloody great tic

3681
02:10:42,229 --> 02:10:40,239
tac again so we get it clean this is as

3682
02:10:43,189 --> 02:10:42,239
much as you would ever be asked to do

3683
02:10:45,830 --> 02:10:43,199
never

3684
02:10:47,910 --> 02:10:45,840
say this don't say that we're not into

3685
02:10:49,189 --> 02:10:47,920
it's not like reality tv and all

3686
02:10:51,910 --> 02:10:49,199
pre-planned you know we're trying to

3687
02:10:55,030 --> 02:10:51,920
film the story of what we all get up to

3688
02:10:56,310 --> 02:10:55,040
yeah in our approach to the phenomenon

3689
02:10:58,310 --> 02:10:56,320
so that that's a good thing there's no

3690
02:11:00,629 --> 02:10:58,320
pressure for you to ever have been on tv

3691
02:11:02,709 --> 02:11:00,639
before walter comes he's been this is

3692
02:11:04,629 --> 02:11:02,719
walters walter payne's fourth time to

3693
02:11:06,229 --> 02:11:04,639
colombia it's his fourth well fourth

3694
02:11:08,790 --> 02:11:06,239
expedition he's found

3695
02:11:10,069 --> 02:11:08,800
this massive three-tiered platform on

3696
02:11:12,870 --> 02:11:10,079
the mountain i'm gonna take it and show

3697
02:11:15,189 --> 02:11:12,880
it he found this first year he was here

3698
02:11:17,669 --> 02:11:15,199
the enormous indigenous platformer then

3699
02:11:19,589 --> 02:11:17,679
he found the chia figurine so he's

3700
02:11:20,870 --> 02:11:19,599
coming back this year he's not he's

3701
02:11:22,550 --> 02:11:20,880
wanted to take his metal detector i'm

3702
02:11:24,629 --> 02:11:22,560
telling him no this is

3703
02:11:26,390 --> 02:11:24,639
uap so he's taken

3704
02:11:27,910 --> 02:11:26,400
he's taken his drone

3705
02:11:29,750 --> 02:11:27,920
but it's such

3706
02:11:31,510 --> 02:11:29,760
it's a land of discovery and these guys

3707
02:11:33,589 --> 02:11:31,520
are really cool walters american guy

3708
02:11:36,149 --> 02:11:33,599
john is american living in canada you're

3709
02:11:38,310 --> 02:11:36,159
english i'm scots we've got canadians so

3710
02:11:40,229 --> 02:11:38,320
it'll be good fun really really good fun

3711
02:11:42,310 --> 02:11:40,239
week that's what it is

3712
02:11:44,470 --> 02:11:42,320
yeah cannot wait cannot wait

3713
02:11:47,990 --> 02:11:44,480
well listen ash i'm going to play this

3714
02:11:49,750 --> 02:11:48,000
track yeah strafe um we'll have another

3715
02:11:51,589 --> 02:11:49,760
quick chat before we before we go

3716
02:11:53,589 --> 02:11:51,599
afterwards but let's let's get this up

3717
02:11:56,229 --> 02:11:53,599
let me just so hang on let me ask you

3718
02:11:57,910 --> 02:11:56,239
surprise can i get stand up for like the

3719
02:11:59,430 --> 02:11:57,920
next three minutes are you going to see

3720
02:12:00,950 --> 02:11:59,440
me standing up

3721
02:12:02,709 --> 02:12:00,960
because you want me to take you off the

3722
02:12:03,990 --> 02:12:02,719
camera or do you want to

3723
02:12:07,830 --> 02:12:04,000
if i do

3724
02:12:09,270 --> 02:12:07,840
there is no way your trip

3725
02:12:11,510 --> 02:12:09,280
go columbia trip

3726
02:12:14,470 --> 02:12:11,520
look go you've gone

3727
02:12:17,030 --> 02:12:14,480
right thanks fella

3728
02:12:19,589 --> 02:12:17,040
oh this is brilliant strafe i am gonna

3729
02:12:22,390 --> 02:12:19,599
play your tune right now let me just

3730
02:12:24,950 --> 02:12:22,400
share my screen with audio

3731
02:12:28,790 --> 02:12:24,960
i'm gonna mute

3732
02:12:28,800 --> 02:12:31,430
um

3733
02:12:35,430 --> 02:12:32,830
here we go

3734
02:12:37,030 --> 02:12:35,440
right i'm gonna play this i want

3735
02:12:39,589 --> 02:12:37,040
everyone to tell me if you can hear it

3736
02:12:39,599 --> 02:12:42,629
here we go

3737
02:12:46,750 --> 02:12:44,149
can you hear that

3738
02:12:53,350 --> 02:12:46,760
can everyone hear that

3739
02:12:53,360 --> 02:12:56,960
now

3740
02:14:53,270 --> 02:13:32,280
[Music]

3741
02:15:08,280 --> 02:14:55,180
beautiful

3742
02:16:26,229 --> 02:15:24,290
[Music]

3743
02:16:26,239 --> 02:16:29,109
all right

3744
02:16:35,589 --> 02:16:32,870
strafe wilson that was amazing so

3745
02:16:38,469 --> 02:16:35,599
i just know strafe look here guys

3746
02:16:39,830 --> 02:16:38,479
any vocalist out there hit up strafe or

3747
02:16:42,150 --> 02:16:39,840
if you can't get hold of strafe hit me

3748
02:16:44,790 --> 02:16:42,160
up i can put you in touch with strafe

3749
02:16:47,910 --> 02:16:44,800
that was awesome shout out off wrong as

3750
02:16:49,589 --> 02:16:47,920
always fantastic artwork so

3751
02:16:51,920 --> 02:16:49,599
yeah would you reckon actually there you

3752
02:16:54,549 --> 02:16:51,930
muted by the way

3753
02:16:55,429 --> 02:16:54,559
[Laughter]

3754
02:16:59,030 --> 02:16:55,439
yeah

3755
02:17:01,190 --> 02:16:59,040
something else i need because nobody

3756
02:17:04,150 --> 02:17:01,200
else would ever give them thanks for

3757
02:17:06,870 --> 02:17:04,160
this right in another

3758
02:17:08,950 --> 02:17:06,880
part of my life i'm our family run one

3759
02:17:10,790 --> 02:17:08,960
of the most awarded

3760
02:17:13,270 --> 02:17:10,800
sustainable seafood restaurants in

3761
02:17:15,709 --> 02:17:13,280
scotland for its ethical food sourcing

3762
02:17:17,270 --> 02:17:15,719
policies and for its

3763
02:17:19,750 --> 02:17:17,280
environmental

3764
02:17:23,110 --> 02:17:19,760
approach to the catching off and the

3765
02:17:25,270 --> 02:17:23,120
creating of seafood now

3766
02:17:27,270 --> 02:17:25,280
you know our restaurant is 20 years old

3767
02:17:29,589 --> 02:17:27,280
in northern scotland there

3768
02:17:32,309 --> 02:17:29,599
and we are looking at doing a really

3769
02:17:33,270 --> 02:17:32,319
exciting new sustainable arts project

3770
02:17:36,150 --> 02:17:33,280
fusing

3771
02:17:38,389 --> 02:17:36,160
norse cultures from shetland to iceland

3772
02:17:41,349 --> 02:17:38,399
to scotland and doing this next year do

3773
02:17:43,190 --> 02:17:41,359
you know who i'm just facilitating that

3774
02:17:46,230 --> 02:17:43,200
putting it together and pulling me with

3775
02:17:47,509 --> 02:17:46,240
arts councils grant bodies

3776
02:17:50,870 --> 02:17:47,519
people that could help us do this

3777
02:17:53,509 --> 02:17:50,880
project straightforward wow

3778
02:17:55,750 --> 02:17:53,519
just i got a call and said look dude we

3779
02:17:57,270 --> 02:17:55,760
got a big old 300 year old building

3780
02:17:59,030 --> 02:17:57,280
we're looking at doing all sorts of new

3781
02:18:01,750 --> 02:17:59,040
stuff where they've got this old

3782
02:18:04,230 --> 02:18:01,760
17th century ice house and strafes all

3783
02:18:05,589 --> 02:18:04,240
over it setting it up phone him do that

3784
02:18:07,429 --> 02:18:05,599
don't do that

3785
02:18:08,469 --> 02:18:07,439
call me in a week and it's just like

3786
02:18:11,030 --> 02:18:08,479
it's funny isn't it he's really

3787
02:18:12,389 --> 02:18:11,040
effective as a human being he is he is

3788
02:18:14,629 --> 02:18:12,399
and he has been for a long time since

3789
02:18:16,469 --> 02:18:14,639
i've been in this game not the youtube

3790
02:18:18,469 --> 02:18:16,479
game but the uap game you know straight

3791
02:18:20,709 --> 02:18:18,479
up behind the scenes we've had phone

3792
02:18:22,830 --> 02:18:20,719
calls video calls i know he did a lot of

3793
02:18:25,589 --> 02:18:22,840
stuff for luis jimenez on the big phone

3794
02:18:27,349 --> 02:18:25,599
home for the first time around he's just

3795
02:18:29,429 --> 02:18:27,359
one of those men of mystery behind the

3796
02:18:31,429 --> 02:18:29,439
scenes who just makes things happen you

3797
02:18:33,190 --> 02:18:31,439
know well that's it that's it that's it

3798
02:18:35,830 --> 02:18:33,200
so in life you're getting on i'm getting

3799
02:18:37,509 --> 02:18:35,840
on you get to realize that so many

3800
02:18:39,349 --> 02:18:37,519
people talk a good game

3801
02:18:41,990 --> 02:18:39,359
but there's a few around you that are

3802
02:18:43,349 --> 02:18:42,000
action men you know they get stuff done

3803
02:18:44,950 --> 02:18:43,359
and then when you get to the end of a

3804
02:18:48,070 --> 02:18:44,960
good call it's like oh that was a great

3805
02:18:50,629 --> 02:18:48,080
call now strafe's the one right one two

3806
02:18:52,870 --> 02:18:50,639
three boom boom boom and things happen i

3807
02:18:54,950 --> 02:18:52,880
happened i did all this with you and me

3808
02:18:56,150 --> 02:18:54,960
he introduced me to you i said to him a

3809
02:18:58,469 --> 02:18:56,160
year ago

3810
02:19:01,270 --> 02:18:58,479
i'm photographing what amounts to a bag

3811
02:19:02,549 --> 02:19:01,280
of mental on a mountain in colombia who

3812
02:19:04,950 --> 02:19:02,559
what do you think i should do with this

3813
02:19:06,469 --> 02:19:04,960
it's absolutely related to ufo

3814
02:19:08,150 --> 02:19:06,479
phenomenology

3815
02:19:10,150 --> 02:19:08,160
and and he didn't have any second

3816
02:19:11,509 --> 02:19:10,160
questions he said

3817
02:19:13,589 --> 02:19:11,519
you know who it was he said you've got a

3818
02:19:14,629 --> 02:19:13,599
guy in america i can't remember who was

3819
02:19:15,990 --> 02:19:14,639
what he said

3820
02:19:17,349 --> 02:19:16,000
he goes as far as the future is

3821
02:19:18,629 --> 02:19:17,359
concerned he's not got many followers

3822
02:19:20,629 --> 02:19:18,639
just now but you want to do your first

3823
02:19:23,030 --> 02:19:20,639
interview with vinny he'll give you the

3824
02:19:24,629 --> 02:19:23,040
space he said he'll give you the space

3825
02:19:27,589 --> 02:19:24,639
for you to be yourself without trying to

3826
02:19:30,070 --> 02:19:27,599
shoehorn you into one of our camps

3827
02:19:31,830 --> 02:19:30,080
so he's fully aware of the the way it

3828
02:19:33,830 --> 02:19:31,840
all works in your world you know this is

3829
02:19:36,309 --> 02:19:33,840
all new to me the world of saying the

3830
02:19:38,629 --> 02:19:36,319
world reviews ufos is new to me i've

3831
02:19:39,509 --> 02:19:38,639
featured in shows that have

3832
02:19:41,910 --> 02:19:39,519
you know

3833
02:19:43,750 --> 02:19:41,920
heavily leaned on the alien the ufo

3834
02:19:45,990 --> 02:19:43,760
phenomenon but it's

3835
02:19:47,110 --> 02:19:46,000
seldom i've talked about it myself i

3836
02:19:49,270 --> 02:19:47,120
talk about the history and the

3837
02:19:50,710 --> 02:19:49,280
archaeology aspects and things that i'm

3838
02:19:52,309 --> 02:19:50,720
asked about right

3839
02:19:54,630 --> 02:19:52,319
yeah no absolutely so i gotta give

3840
02:19:56,550 --> 02:19:54,640
another shout out to strafe wilson

3841
02:19:58,070 --> 02:19:56,560
like i said he he's done so much behind

3842
02:19:59,110 --> 02:19:58,080
the scenes he never asked for anything

3843
02:20:00,630 --> 02:19:59,120
in return

3844
02:20:02,950 --> 02:20:00,640
and so i'm more than happy to share

3845
02:20:04,070 --> 02:20:02,960
things like that awesome tune like so

3846
02:20:05,990 --> 02:20:04,080
strafe

3847
02:20:07,349 --> 02:20:06,000
thank you so much my friend

3848
02:20:08,790 --> 02:20:07,359
yeah i've said to him i've been honest

3849
02:20:10,790 --> 02:20:08,800
with him i told him we sell six

3850
02:20:12,389 --> 02:20:10,800
participants for this first thing we

3851
02:20:14,469 --> 02:20:12,399
break even that's our break even's four

3852
02:20:16,790 --> 02:20:14,479
participants our six participants mean i

3853
02:20:18,550 --> 02:20:16,800
can actually say to that in my wife

3854
02:20:21,190 --> 02:20:18,560
gonna go in that series for me over the

3855
02:20:23,990 --> 02:20:21,200
next 12 months please

3856
02:20:26,790 --> 02:20:24,000
what we want to do is i said ideally i'd

3857
02:20:29,349 --> 02:20:26,800
love to take strafe over here and olive

3858
02:20:30,790 --> 02:20:29,359
for season two in april or may

3859
02:20:32,870 --> 02:20:30,800
and we'll be talking about all that

3860
02:20:34,550 --> 02:20:32,880
later but i said tonight i don't know

3861
02:20:37,429 --> 02:20:34,560
how good it is having

3862
02:20:40,950 --> 02:20:37,439
two angry scots in the hills talking to

3863
02:20:43,510 --> 02:20:40,960
people in columbia about ufos

3864
02:20:44,469 --> 02:20:43,520
man it'll get spicy

3865
02:20:45,510 --> 02:20:44,479
yeah

3866
02:20:47,670 --> 02:20:45,520
indeed

3867
02:20:49,349 --> 02:20:47,680
i i noticed that

3868
02:20:51,190 --> 02:20:49,359
it's an archetype that scottish people

3869
02:20:53,830 --> 02:20:51,200
are angry and

3870
02:20:55,510 --> 02:20:53,840
now dear as i get older it's it's not

3871
02:20:58,870 --> 02:20:55,520
much of an archetype it's our total

3872
02:21:01,349 --> 02:20:58,880
truism it's terrible short my work's

3873
02:21:03,270 --> 02:21:01,359
getting these days vinnie

3874
02:21:04,790 --> 02:21:03,280
anyway we digress i think we've had a

3875
02:21:07,110 --> 02:21:04,800
great chat how long have we been on for

3876
02:21:08,309 --> 02:21:07,120
that must be an epic two hours and 20

3877
02:21:11,590 --> 02:21:08,319
minutes

3878
02:21:13,510 --> 02:21:11,600
awesome man it's flown by actually you

3879
02:21:15,349 --> 02:21:13,520
know i did a i've done a few long ones

3880
02:21:16,469 --> 02:21:15,359
and this has just flown by so it just

3881
02:21:18,309 --> 02:21:16,479
shows how it

3882
02:21:20,550 --> 02:21:18,319
you know invested in it i am and

3883
02:21:22,150 --> 02:21:20,560
obviously yeah as well so and everyone

3884
02:21:24,150 --> 02:21:22,160
in the livestream you're still here so

3885
02:21:25,750 --> 02:21:24,160
thank you guys as well have you have you

3886
02:21:27,910 --> 02:21:25,760
got a few fork in the live chat that

3887
02:21:29,510 --> 02:21:27,920
have stood by yeah man they've been

3888
02:21:31,830 --> 02:21:29,520
commenting and chatting the whole time

3889
02:21:33,349 --> 02:21:31,840
like so these guys so i've got an idea

3890
02:21:35,750 --> 02:21:33,359
for you then if this has been if people

3891
02:21:37,270 --> 02:21:35,760
have enjoyed it you get good feedback

3892
02:21:39,110 --> 02:21:37,280
why don't we do this why do we do

3893
02:21:40,870 --> 02:21:39,120
another one at the end of january a week

3894
02:21:41,990 --> 02:21:40,880
before you come and we can announce

3895
02:21:43,190 --> 02:21:42,000
who's coming

3896
02:21:44,790 --> 02:21:43,200
yes

3897
02:21:46,950 --> 02:21:44,800
you know let's do that

3898
02:21:48,150 --> 02:21:46,960
real team the participants wait we have

3899
02:21:50,230 --> 02:21:48,160
to get them on as well and we'll do a

3900
02:21:52,070 --> 02:21:50,240
little panel see how they feel

3901
02:21:53,990 --> 02:21:52,080
right i'll tell you what

3902
02:21:55,990 --> 02:21:54,000
let's you select a date let me know what

3903
02:21:57,910 --> 02:21:56,000
i'll do is i'll get jono and walter i'll

3904
02:21:59,750 --> 02:21:57,920
get the two american military boys on

3905
02:22:00,790 --> 02:21:59,760
yeah so people can ask them questions

3906
02:22:02,469 --> 02:22:00,800
about

3907
02:22:03,910 --> 02:22:02,479
you know what they do what they've done

3908
02:22:04,790 --> 02:22:03,920
but what's good about them is both of

3909
02:22:07,830 --> 02:22:04,800
them are

3910
02:22:09,910 --> 02:22:07,840
really experienced drone pilots so when

3911
02:22:12,710 --> 02:22:09,920
we've got such a crossover between the

3912
02:22:14,870 --> 02:22:12,720
military and ufology to have two people

3913
02:22:16,950 --> 02:22:14,880
that have flown drones and john or two

3914
02:22:18,870 --> 02:22:16,960
after the military after the engineers

3915
02:22:22,309 --> 02:22:18,880
he was working on

3916
02:22:25,110 --> 02:22:22,319
vast inland gas pipe station pipelines

3917
02:22:26,710 --> 02:22:25,120
in british columbia with drones so he

3918
02:22:28,790 --> 02:22:26,720
knows what they look like from distance

3919
02:22:31,590 --> 02:22:28,800
so it's great to have those guys in it

3920
02:22:33,990 --> 02:22:31,600
because i think ufology responds well to

3921
02:22:36,150 --> 02:22:34,000
the military eyewitness don't they sure

3922
02:22:38,950 --> 02:22:36,160
absolutely yeah seems to be the idea

3923
02:22:40,950 --> 02:22:38,960
that it's a better eye than that of cr

3924
02:22:42,469 --> 02:22:40,960
painter

3925
02:22:45,590 --> 02:22:42,479
it does unfortunately i think it's that

3926
02:22:47,190 --> 02:22:45,600
trained military kind of history and the

3927
02:22:48,870 --> 02:22:47,200
way that they've been

3928
02:22:50,389 --> 02:22:48,880
brought through the ranks to

3929
02:22:52,070 --> 02:22:50,399
look at things the way they perceive

3930
02:22:54,070 --> 02:22:52,080
things it doesn't mean they're any

3931
02:22:56,469 --> 02:22:54,080
better than you know your average joey

3932
02:22:59,429 --> 02:22:56,479
member of the public but

3933
02:23:00,790 --> 02:22:59,439
it does seem when it's a story or just a

3934
02:23:01,910 --> 02:23:00,800
something like that it just seems to

3935
02:23:04,389 --> 02:23:01,920
give you that slight extra bit of

3936
02:23:05,510 --> 02:23:04,399
credibility to a lot of people

3937
02:23:07,510 --> 02:23:05,520
yeah i think it's important you said

3938
02:23:09,910 --> 02:23:07,520
they're they're not better they're

3939
02:23:12,309 --> 02:23:09,920
they have they are trained to

3940
02:23:13,030 --> 02:23:12,319
interpret things that they see but you

3941
02:23:14,230 --> 02:23:13,040
know

3942
02:23:15,670 --> 02:23:14,240
you can't say they're better

3943
02:23:17,910 --> 02:23:15,680
eyewitnesses because if that was the

3944
02:23:20,790 --> 02:23:17,920
case then we wouldn't have so many

3945
02:23:22,630 --> 02:23:20,800
military air show accidents for example

3946
02:23:24,950 --> 02:23:22,640
pilot pilots make a lot of accidents

3947
02:23:27,830 --> 02:23:24,960
each year so i think to to worship the

3948
02:23:30,309 --> 02:23:27,840
military eyewitnesses if it's for as

3949
02:23:32,070 --> 02:23:30,319
whole as sort of far from the truth if

3950
02:23:33,830 --> 02:23:32,080
you like as it is to disregard it as

3951
02:23:35,429 --> 02:23:33,840
being just normal

3952
02:23:37,510 --> 02:23:35,439
yeah that's a good way to put it so

3953
02:23:38,710 --> 02:23:37,520
we've got a couple of those guys in

3954
02:23:40,070 --> 02:23:38,720
and um

3955
02:23:41,590 --> 02:23:40,080
it's always good fun too right i've

3956
02:23:44,630 --> 02:23:41,600
filmed lots of documentaries with

3957
02:23:46,790 --> 02:23:44,640
military folk right and

3958
02:23:48,790 --> 02:23:46,800
i'm quite hard when it comes to work

3959
02:23:50,230 --> 02:23:48,800
like i'm there on the front line and i'm

3960
02:23:52,070 --> 02:23:50,240
there when they go to bed i'm still up

3961
02:23:54,150 --> 02:23:52,080
charging my batteries and they know it

3962
02:23:56,550 --> 02:23:54,160
but because i'm the city and because

3963
02:23:57,830 --> 02:23:56,560
i've never been the guy with guns

3964
02:24:01,030 --> 02:23:57,840
they pull the price out of me like

3965
02:24:02,790 --> 02:24:01,040
you've never seen in your life honestly

3966
02:24:05,670 --> 02:24:02,800
it's like i feel like the city and the

3967
02:24:08,150 --> 02:24:05,680
squad camp but that'll make good tv too

3968
02:24:09,270 --> 02:24:08,160
exactly you know but you push back on

3969
02:24:11,349 --> 02:24:09,280
them you know

3970
02:24:12,389 --> 02:24:11,359
oh hell yeah

3971
02:24:14,230 --> 02:24:12,399
that's great

3972
02:24:16,710 --> 02:24:14,240
i will say to them is i okay i can't fly

3973
02:24:20,870 --> 02:24:16,720
an f-15 but but i could pay my own gas

3974
02:24:24,070 --> 02:24:22,070
that's the thing as well different

3975
02:24:25,990 --> 02:24:24,080
worlds there is and i thought i like

3976
02:24:28,150 --> 02:24:26,000
that's why you know if we're out in this

3977
02:24:29,510 --> 02:24:28,160
beautiful location we've got people from

3978
02:24:32,309 --> 02:24:29,520
different backgrounds and that the

3979
02:24:34,550 --> 02:24:32,319
banter like just the the daily living of

3980
02:24:36,230 --> 02:24:34,560
what we're doing will come across or i

3981
02:24:38,150 --> 02:24:36,240
hope it comes across

3982
02:24:40,150 --> 02:24:38,160
perfectly represented in this this

3983
02:24:41,349 --> 02:24:40,160
series you know it's going to be serious

3984
02:24:43,750 --> 02:24:41,359
the work we're going to be doing is

3985
02:24:45,110 --> 02:24:43,760
serious but i wanted to show

3986
02:24:47,110 --> 02:24:45,120
everything

3987
02:24:49,750 --> 02:24:47,120
yeah every little every little surprise

3988
02:24:50,630 --> 02:24:49,760
every little conversation and

3989
02:24:52,790 --> 02:24:50,640
yeah

3990
02:24:55,030 --> 02:24:52,800
well we always find that the best the

3991
02:24:57,349 --> 02:24:55,040
the best bits are

3992
02:24:59,429 --> 02:24:57,359
you know you when you're we start in the

3993
02:25:01,910 --> 02:24:59,439
we just i can't even describe what a

3994
02:25:03,830 --> 02:25:01,920
breakfast is like here right like you

3995
02:25:05,750 --> 02:25:03,840
get up with these birds

3996
02:25:07,670 --> 02:25:05,760
you smell this thing in the air and

3997
02:25:09,110 --> 02:25:07,680
you're not sure what kind of fruit it is

3998
02:25:11,110 --> 02:25:09,120
and you come down to the table and you

3999
02:25:13,190 --> 02:25:11,120
have this class it's almost like a

4000
02:25:15,030 --> 02:25:13,200
classic english spread it very much with

4001
02:25:16,630 --> 02:25:15,040
silver plates and all the rest of it but

4002
02:25:17,910 --> 02:25:16,640
they have fruits like you've never

4003
02:25:20,150 --> 02:25:17,920
dreamed of

4004
02:25:22,150 --> 02:25:20,160
and those tastes and smells in the way

4005
02:25:23,670 --> 02:25:22,160
they do eggs that a scottish or an

4006
02:25:25,830 --> 02:25:23,680
englishman would never you know we like

4007
02:25:27,030 --> 02:25:25,840
an egg on two bits of toast you know a

4008
02:25:28,469 --> 02:25:27,040
green

4009
02:25:29,910 --> 02:25:28,479
good chunk of butter

4010
02:25:31,349 --> 02:25:29,920
you have to they're things and eggs that

4011
02:25:33,030 --> 02:25:31,359
would offend you to look at them and we

4012
02:25:34,790 --> 02:25:33,040
will you'll be like no wait just not

4013
02:25:36,870 --> 02:25:34,800
doing it and you taste these things and

4014
02:25:38,710 --> 02:25:36,880
it's great and you know you're abroad

4015
02:25:40,230 --> 02:25:38,720
you know you're in a different place

4016
02:25:42,070 --> 02:25:40,240
you're not just a flight away from home

4017
02:25:44,070 --> 02:25:42,080
you're in the andes you're gonna find it

4018
02:25:45,750 --> 02:25:44,080
hard to breathe for the first day we're

4019
02:25:46,800 --> 02:25:45,760
at nine thousand now where are we at

4020
02:25:48,070 --> 02:25:46,810
where are we

4021
02:25:50,790 --> 02:25:48,080
[Music]

4022
02:25:54,469 --> 02:25:50,800
yeah two thousand eight hundred feet so

4023
02:25:57,110 --> 02:25:56,309
so what that means is

4024
02:25:59,270 --> 02:25:57,120
let's

4025
02:26:01,990 --> 02:25:59,280
okay relative terms

4026
02:26:04,230 --> 02:26:02,000
you've got just less than half normal

4027
02:26:06,870 --> 02:26:04,240
one capacity

4028
02:26:09,110 --> 02:26:06,880
so how that works into how you feel is

4029
02:26:11,030 --> 02:26:09,120
this

4030
02:26:12,630 --> 02:26:11,040
if you deoxygenate the body you have

4031
02:26:14,469 --> 02:26:12,640
less energy so

4032
02:26:17,030 --> 02:26:14,479
walking to the car

4033
02:26:19,429 --> 02:26:17,040
from the front door you stop sometimes

4034
02:26:21,349 --> 02:26:19,439
and go oh i went a bit fast

4035
02:26:24,309 --> 02:26:21,359
so then to avoid feeling lightheaded you

4036
02:26:27,030 --> 02:26:24,319
go slow and you realize that it takes

4037
02:26:29,270 --> 02:26:27,040
so long to do everything but that's why

4038
02:26:30,950 --> 02:26:29,280
it's nice that's why we say to people

4039
02:26:33,349 --> 02:26:30,960
you don't need to be an athlete you just

4040
02:26:35,990 --> 02:26:33,359
need to be of relative fitness as i said

4041
02:26:37,190 --> 02:26:36,000
i'm a type 1 diabetic i'm fine

4042
02:26:39,670 --> 02:26:37,200
we're not going to be asking people to

4043
02:26:41,190 --> 02:26:39,680
walk six kilometers up a hill in the

4044
02:26:42,389 --> 02:26:41,200
andes we're going to be safe here we're

4045
02:26:43,910 --> 02:26:42,399
going to

4046
02:26:46,389 --> 02:26:43,920
sites that are around the mountain where

4047
02:26:48,950 --> 02:26:46,399
we can park nearby but there will be

4048
02:26:50,469 --> 02:26:48,960
there will be some extreme hiking and

4049
02:26:51,990 --> 02:26:50,479
some dangerous bits that some people

4050
02:26:54,309 --> 02:26:52,000
won't want to go to

4051
02:26:56,150 --> 02:26:54,319
but there's places on the mountain i

4052
02:26:58,630 --> 02:26:56,160
have to take people too we found

4053
02:27:00,790 --> 02:26:58,640
archaeology at some of the places where

4054
02:27:02,950 --> 02:27:00,800
the lights seem to appear we need to go

4055
02:27:04,469 --> 02:27:02,960
along and film that and bring it in or

4056
02:27:06,469 --> 02:27:04,479
disregard it

4057
02:27:08,389 --> 02:27:06,479
so you know relative fitness but

4058
02:27:10,469 --> 02:27:08,399
everybody finds it tough with the andean

4059
02:27:12,469 --> 02:27:10,479
altitude and it's right in the middle of

4060
02:27:14,469 --> 02:27:12,479
the summer i should say so it'll be

4061
02:27:17,030 --> 02:27:14,479
scorching hot through the day you're

4062
02:27:20,150 --> 02:27:17,040
going to get brown but it's going to be

4063
02:27:23,510 --> 02:27:20,160
just freezing at night like you get

4064
02:27:25,349 --> 02:27:23,520
angry sometimes so you get weep

4065
02:27:26,790 --> 02:27:25,359
hi the hot water bottle down the front

4066
02:27:28,790 --> 02:27:26,800
and you look after the jaffas and the

4067
02:27:31,190 --> 02:27:28,800
rest of the body is fine i'll be cool

4068
02:27:33,429 --> 02:27:31,200
man i'm ready

4069
02:27:35,030 --> 02:27:33,439
he will be yeah it'll be great get the

4070
02:27:36,950 --> 02:27:35,040
old disclosure team you have to bring

4071
02:27:38,389 --> 02:27:36,960
out the logoed up stuff however we're

4072
02:27:40,550 --> 02:27:38,399
gonna have to figure out what to do can

4073
02:27:41,830 --> 02:27:40,560
you imagine what we can't have what i

4074
02:27:44,309 --> 02:27:41,840
can't have is

4075
02:27:46,630 --> 02:27:44,319
filming at breakfast with dan with that

4076
02:27:48,630 --> 02:27:46,640
that just that beautiful podcast hat on

4077
02:27:51,030 --> 02:27:48,640
and then it's disclosure team and then

4078
02:27:53,190 --> 02:27:51,040
whatever dan you should shout as new

4079
02:27:55,750 --> 02:27:53,200
podcast whatever it's going to be called

4080
02:27:56,950 --> 02:27:55,760
it can all be that but now we certainly

4081
02:27:59,670 --> 02:27:56,960
will be at the table for the two we have

4082
02:28:02,630 --> 02:27:59,680
to get some phenomenology to merge

4083
02:28:04,150 --> 02:28:02,640
i we do and that'll come that will come

4084
02:28:05,429 --> 02:28:04,160
but you know yourself like we're not

4085
02:28:07,830 --> 02:28:05,439
going to say too much better but you and

4086
02:28:09,270 --> 02:28:07,840
i have both discussed that

4087
02:28:11,670 --> 02:28:09,280
you know that we've got some options as

4088
02:28:13,429 --> 02:28:11,680
to where we could position this film so

4089
02:28:15,429 --> 02:28:13,439
we have we might not be filming with any

4090
02:28:17,750 --> 02:28:15,439
logos at all depending if we

4091
02:28:20,150 --> 02:28:17,760
if we we get a sort of sale or something

4092
02:28:21,030 --> 02:28:20,160
in place before we film right we'll see

4093
02:28:22,630 --> 02:28:21,040
but

4094
02:28:24,389 --> 02:28:22,640
i think what's really nice to hear that

4095
02:28:26,870 --> 02:28:24,399
dan's filled in your thing the form

4096
02:28:29,670 --> 02:28:26,880
there is that because you know i said to

4097
02:28:31,510 --> 02:28:29,680
you and i said strafe i'm doing two

4098
02:28:33,429 --> 02:28:31,520
interviews this one

4099
02:28:35,349 --> 02:28:33,439
and one with that ufo podcast because i

4100
02:28:37,190 --> 02:28:35,359
think so much of andy and dan

4101
02:28:39,030 --> 02:28:37,200
and i won't be going in the circuit then

4102
02:28:41,590 --> 02:28:39,040
doing a big sales thing just wanted to

4103
02:28:43,670 --> 02:28:41,600
talk to youtube guys i have considered

4104
02:28:44,870 --> 02:28:43,680
doing one in america though i thought

4105
02:28:46,389 --> 02:28:44,880
you know how am i going to get this out

4106
02:28:48,230 --> 02:28:46,399
to the american

4107
02:28:50,230 --> 02:28:48,240
folk at large so what we need to do is

4108
02:28:52,389 --> 02:28:50,240
find me a podcast america if there's

4109
02:28:54,070 --> 02:28:52,399
anyone listening just now that wants me

4110
02:28:56,469 --> 02:28:54,080
to come on and rant for two hours of

4111
02:28:57,910 --> 02:28:56,479
your day about colombia i'd be happy to

4112
02:28:59,190 --> 02:28:57,920
do it but maybe that would be it then

4113
02:29:00,790 --> 02:28:59,200
you know

4114
02:29:02,870 --> 02:29:00,800
i don't want to be

4115
02:29:04,630 --> 02:29:02,880
yeah so up to you man but yeah i think

4116
02:29:06,630 --> 02:29:04,640
it's good

4117
02:29:07,670 --> 02:29:06,640
good thing yeah i'm over the moon i

4118
02:29:10,150 --> 02:29:07,680
think it's going to be great i'm

4119
02:29:11,590 --> 02:29:10,160
delighted we've brought it out to the

4120
02:29:13,830 --> 02:29:11,600
greater community and that it's now

4121
02:29:15,190 --> 02:29:13,840
going to take honor it'll start to form

4122
02:29:16,630 --> 02:29:15,200
it's always nerve-wracking for me

4123
02:29:17,590 --> 02:29:16,640
because i've got to pay for everything

4124
02:29:19,429 --> 02:29:17,600
first

4125
02:29:20,389 --> 02:29:19,439
and then you press the button and do

4126
02:29:23,429 --> 02:29:20,399
this

4127
02:29:25,590 --> 02:29:23,439
book all of the people and the

4128
02:29:27,110 --> 02:29:25,600
accommodation the food and the flights

4129
02:29:28,950 --> 02:29:27,120
and everything and then

4130
02:29:30,309 --> 02:29:28,960
you hope there's six people out there

4131
02:29:31,590 --> 02:29:30,319
that are all gonna go hang on a minute

4132
02:29:33,990 --> 02:29:31,600
he's quite clearly not making the

4133
02:29:35,990 --> 02:29:34,000
fortune if there's six of us and

4134
02:29:37,750 --> 02:29:36,000
and um you hoping it works and it has

4135
02:29:39,990 --> 02:29:37,760
every year so far this is our fourth one

4136
02:29:41,670 --> 02:29:40,000
our fourth independent film so our

4137
02:29:43,349 --> 02:29:41,680
series this will be

4138
02:29:44,950 --> 02:29:43,359
yeah so yeah let's do it again the end

4139
02:29:46,790 --> 02:29:44,960
of january just before you come and we

4140
02:29:50,150 --> 02:29:46,800
can introduce to the the new people and

4141
02:29:52,389 --> 02:29:50,160
i'll get walter and jono to join that

4142
02:29:54,550 --> 02:29:52,399
chat then so people can come firing in

4143
02:29:56,389 --> 02:29:54,560
and maybe meet them before they come

4144
02:29:58,469 --> 02:29:56,399
yeah absolutely man if dan's just sit

4145
02:30:00,309 --> 02:29:58,479
here he'll he'll hit ryan sprague up for

4146
02:30:02,389 --> 02:30:00,319
you so maybe get on somewhere in the

4147
02:30:05,030 --> 02:30:02,399
skies hit that american audience that's

4148
02:30:06,710 --> 02:30:05,040
a good idea now ryan's show i did listen

4149
02:30:08,469 --> 02:30:06,720
to at the start

4150
02:30:09,990 --> 02:30:08,479
for quite some time i still do however

4151
02:30:12,550 --> 02:30:10,000
if you notice that you must listen to

4152
02:30:14,150 --> 02:30:12,560
lots right are you you're podcasting oh

4153
02:30:17,110 --> 02:30:14,160
yeah

4154
02:30:18,469 --> 02:30:17,120
like constantly or not like i'm having

4155
02:30:21,030 --> 02:30:18,479
this every day right

4156
02:30:22,550 --> 02:30:21,040
everything so right

4157
02:30:24,469 --> 02:30:22,560
and you i write a news article in the

4158
02:30:26,230 --> 02:30:24,479
morning and a few long-form research

4159
02:30:28,070 --> 02:30:26,240
articles through the week

4160
02:30:29,590 --> 02:30:28,080
but i'm in this lovely world where i get

4161
02:30:32,389 --> 02:30:29,600
to listen

4162
02:30:34,150 --> 02:30:32,399
to thousands of hours a month podcasts

4163
02:30:37,750 --> 02:30:34,160
from the most

4164
02:30:39,510 --> 02:30:37,760
widest range of the most fab people and

4165
02:30:42,070 --> 02:30:39,520
i just love it and

4166
02:30:43,910 --> 02:30:42,080
and um but as i say there's only two or

4167
02:30:46,550 --> 02:30:43,920
three that i really think i would go on

4168
02:30:48,389 --> 02:30:46,560
for this to try and find people and it's

4169
02:30:50,550 --> 02:30:48,399
yourself and that ufo broadcasting big

4170
02:30:52,630 --> 02:30:50,560
supporters of the both you know why

4171
02:30:54,550 --> 02:30:52,640
it's because i know how hard it is to be

4172
02:30:56,070 --> 02:30:54,560
consistently creative

4173
02:30:58,630 --> 02:30:56,080
to do a year

4174
02:31:01,030 --> 02:30:58,640
of broadcasts every week and sometimes

4175
02:31:04,710 --> 02:31:01,040
twice a week takes a

4176
02:31:06,550 --> 02:31:04,720
lot a lot a lot of mind and time to keep

4177
02:31:08,309 --> 02:31:06,560
coming up with something original

4178
02:31:10,309 --> 02:31:08,319
remember i said to you five months ago i

4179
02:31:12,150 --> 02:31:10,319
phoned you and said

4180
02:31:14,230 --> 02:31:12,160
you're right you've done luella's honda

4181
02:31:15,830 --> 02:31:14,240
you've spoken to lou you're doing all

4182
02:31:18,550 --> 02:31:15,840
these people what's gonna happen when

4183
02:31:20,790 --> 02:31:18,560
you run out of the the ufo celebs and

4184
02:31:22,710 --> 02:31:20,800
you're like i actually don't know and

4185
02:31:25,349 --> 02:31:22,720
you're honest with it but you didn't

4186
02:31:27,990 --> 02:31:25,359
work he's still every week it's somebody

4187
02:31:30,550 --> 02:31:28,000
new and how many times do you want to

4188
02:31:32,110 --> 02:31:30,560
you know there's

4189
02:31:33,830 --> 02:31:32,120
there are

4190
02:31:37,270 --> 02:31:33,840
44

4191
02:31:39,429 --> 02:31:37,280
million available podcasts to download

4192
02:31:42,389 --> 02:31:39,439
at the moment at over

4193
02:31:44,710 --> 02:31:42,399
8 million podcast channels which means

4194
02:31:46,309 --> 02:31:44,720
the average is six about 16 podcasts i

4195
02:31:48,550 --> 02:31:46,319
believe does it work out maybe did my

4196
02:31:51,750 --> 02:31:48,560
math wrong but it means that

4197
02:31:53,429 --> 02:31:51,760
98 or 95 of anyone who's ever started a

4198
02:31:55,830 --> 02:31:53,439
podcast failed after four or six or

4199
02:31:57,429 --> 02:31:55,840
eight episodes

4200
02:32:01,590 --> 02:31:57,439
well that says something i mean i'm

4201
02:32:03,830 --> 02:32:01,600
about to hit 60 i think in six months

4202
02:32:05,349 --> 02:32:03,840
yeah can i ask you what your favorite

4203
02:32:06,950 --> 02:32:05,359
one is what do you look forward to

4204
02:32:09,190 --> 02:32:06,960
listening to every week

4205
02:32:10,630 --> 02:32:09,200
oh well it's definitely that ufo podcast

4206
02:32:12,389 --> 02:32:10,640
i mean i'm not just saying that i was

4207
02:32:14,230 --> 02:32:12,399
listening to andy from the start when he

4208
02:32:15,910 --> 02:32:14,240
first died i've always listened to

4209
02:32:17,750 --> 02:32:15,920
somewhere in the skies i've always been

4210
02:32:18,950 --> 02:32:17,760
a big fan of ryan's break

4211
02:32:21,750 --> 02:32:18,960
um

4212
02:32:24,950 --> 02:32:21,760
there's too many i have i have like all

4213
02:32:27,190 --> 02:32:24,960
my subscriptions on youtube and

4214
02:32:28,870 --> 02:32:27,200
i have i have my disclosure team channel

4215
02:32:30,469 --> 02:32:28,880
now the ones i subscribe to with that

4216
02:32:31,670 --> 02:32:30,479
are the ones that i will always listen

4217
02:32:33,750 --> 02:32:31,680
to so i've got

4218
02:32:37,429 --> 02:32:33,760
old ones i've got new ones like josh and

4219
02:32:40,469 --> 02:32:37,439
artemis show i've got oh yeah joshua's

4220
02:32:41,830 --> 02:32:40,479
yeah that ufo podcast all my friends

4221
02:32:43,190 --> 02:32:41,840
that have got channels i'll listen to

4222
02:32:45,830 --> 02:32:43,200
them and then

4223
02:32:47,910 --> 02:32:45,840
but then i still listen to

4224
02:32:49,750 --> 02:32:47,920
non-ufo related stuff oh yeah oh yeah

4225
02:32:51,750 --> 02:32:49,760
for sure history archaeology a lot of

4226
02:32:53,590 --> 02:32:51,760
ancient egypt a lot of bigfoot stuff as

4227
02:32:56,070 --> 02:32:53,600
well which i kind of put

4228
02:32:58,870 --> 02:32:56,080
on the wayside a couple of years ago

4229
02:33:01,349 --> 02:32:58,880
that's so funny i just right so by

4230
02:33:03,110 --> 02:33:01,359
taking away from the ufology and the uap

4231
02:33:04,550 --> 02:33:03,120
thing one of my favorite podcasts out

4232
02:33:07,349 --> 02:33:04,560
there a couple of irish guys it's

4233
02:33:09,349 --> 02:33:07,359
monster fun monster fuzz podcast i've

4234
02:33:11,429 --> 02:33:09,359
listened to some of their stuff yeah ah

4235
02:33:14,150 --> 02:33:11,439
just absolute cracking

4236
02:33:15,750 --> 02:33:14,160
it's cryptid nonsense good old [\h__\h]

4237
02:33:16,710 --> 02:33:15,760
talking you could be in a boozer having

4238
02:33:18,469 --> 02:33:16,720
a chat

4239
02:33:20,469 --> 02:33:18,479
and i love it and it reminds me of home

4240
02:33:21,910 --> 02:33:20,479
hearing those skeletal

4241
02:33:25,429 --> 02:33:21,920
ways of thinking

4242
02:33:27,349 --> 02:33:25,439
so i do too whether of course i'm not

4243
02:33:29,910 --> 02:33:27,359
i'm not believing there's dinosaurs in

4244
02:33:32,790 --> 02:33:29,920
the congo but i love listening to people

4245
02:33:35,510 --> 02:33:32,800
i love it and people who are

4246
02:33:38,870 --> 02:33:35,520
wholly into something i'll listen to

4247
02:33:41,670 --> 02:33:38,880
long-form podcasts about people who are

4248
02:33:44,230 --> 02:33:41,680
quite clearly suffering

4249
02:33:46,309 --> 02:33:44,240
not just delusions but deep state mental

4250
02:33:48,790 --> 02:33:46,319
health illnesses and i'll i'll keep

4251
02:33:51,270 --> 02:33:48,800
going and i i learned so much about

4252
02:33:53,910 --> 02:33:51,280
yourself and what you how you believe

4253
02:33:55,349 --> 02:33:53,920
and how you believed in the past and

4254
02:33:56,230 --> 02:33:55,359
what beliefs all about and i think

4255
02:33:58,710 --> 02:33:56,240
there's

4256
02:34:01,510 --> 02:33:58,720
more people you listen to in life better

4257
02:34:02,790 --> 02:34:01,520
absolutely all comes from other people

4258
02:34:05,030 --> 02:34:02,800
yeah we've just got another message from

4259
02:34:06,790 --> 02:34:05,040
dan saying ryan said he'd love to talk

4260
02:34:08,790 --> 02:34:06,800
to ashley can you start our details

4261
02:34:09,429 --> 02:34:08,800
exchange between them please so there we

4262
02:34:12,070 --> 02:34:09,439
go

4263
02:34:14,070 --> 02:34:12,080
on it man right so look if ryan's is

4264
02:34:15,510 --> 02:34:14,080
ryan listening to this i don't think he

4265
02:34:16,870 --> 02:34:15,520
is but i think it sounds like dan's

4266
02:34:18,870 --> 02:34:16,880
messages him back right i'm going to

4267
02:34:20,230 --> 02:34:18,880
tell i'm going to i'm going to fess up

4268
02:34:21,030 --> 02:34:20,240
now okay

4269
02:34:22,309 --> 02:34:21,040
so

4270
02:34:23,990 --> 02:34:22,319
a year ago

4271
02:34:26,070 --> 02:34:24,000
three days after i photographed the

4272
02:34:29,110 --> 02:34:26,080
first light here i did i went and just

4273
02:34:30,389 --> 02:34:29,120
googled ufos podcasts and everything it

4274
02:34:31,990 --> 02:34:30,399
was not my world

4275
02:34:33,670 --> 02:34:32,000
brushed against it in the past but it's

4276
02:34:36,309 --> 02:34:33,680
not the thing i live in

4277
02:34:37,910 --> 02:34:36,319
so i caught i emailed ryan sprague and

4278
02:34:39,270 --> 02:34:37,920
said

4279
02:34:40,870 --> 02:34:39,280
there's a pilot over here who's just

4280
02:34:42,070 --> 02:34:40,880
come out and said you've seen a tic tac

4281
02:34:43,750 --> 02:34:42,080
going around the mountains and i've got

4282
02:34:46,550 --> 02:34:43,760
a bunch of bizarre lights

4283
02:34:48,070 --> 02:34:46,560
and he says i'd love to speak to her

4284
02:34:49,670 --> 02:34:48,080
and i was kind of a little bit like hang

4285
02:34:51,030 --> 02:34:49,680
on a minute i thought you'd be loving to

4286
02:34:52,389 --> 02:34:51,040
speak to me

4287
02:34:55,910 --> 02:34:52,399
then

4288
02:34:58,469 --> 02:34:55,920
going on here is this is when i was

4289
02:35:00,710 --> 02:34:58,479
hiding behind uep colombia and i had

4290
02:35:03,110 --> 02:35:00,720
contacted him through uav columbus to

4291
02:35:05,830 --> 02:35:03,120
him i'm just another cranky instagram

4292
02:35:08,230 --> 02:35:05,840
site with a bunch of blue blue new eps

4293
02:35:09,830 --> 02:35:08,240
you know and he said if you can set up

4294
02:35:11,110 --> 02:35:09,840
with me to speak to your eyewitness i'd

4295
02:35:14,150 --> 02:35:11,120
like to do it

4296
02:35:16,070 --> 02:35:14,160
and i just thought there is no way i am

4297
02:35:18,150 --> 02:35:16,080
giving ryan sprague

4298
02:35:20,469 --> 02:35:18,160
heart or any other ufo witness in

4299
02:35:21,830 --> 02:35:20,479
colombia so now ryan shouts out to you

4300
02:35:24,230 --> 02:35:21,840
buddy you were never going to get from

4301
02:35:27,670 --> 02:35:24,240
the start but i really really liked your

4302
02:35:29,429 --> 02:35:27,680
show didn't i still do

4303
02:35:31,190 --> 02:35:29,439
i put it on the table and when he wanted

4304
02:35:32,469 --> 02:35:31,200
it without me i just pulled it straight

4305
02:35:35,030 --> 02:35:32,479
back off

4306
02:35:36,870 --> 02:35:35,040
i get it i get it that's cool

4307
02:35:39,270 --> 02:35:36,880
no we love ryan though ryan is

4308
02:35:41,750 --> 02:35:39,280
absolutely awesome you know um so

4309
02:35:44,389 --> 02:35:41,760
hopefully you and ryan will get to talk

4310
02:35:46,550 --> 02:35:44,399
about this project i would do it with

4311
02:35:48,630 --> 02:35:46,560
ryan because he's more he's so casual i

4312
02:35:50,070 --> 02:35:48,640
think he's just he's that in just that

4313
02:35:51,830 --> 02:35:50,080
casual way do you know who else they've

4314
02:35:53,830 --> 02:35:51,840
got a lot of time for his

4315
02:35:55,030 --> 02:35:53,840
uh do you know it's my favorite folk one

4316
02:35:57,270 --> 02:35:55,040
of my favorite american podcasts you

4317
02:35:58,710 --> 02:35:57,280
know ufo garage do you know the boys in

4318
02:36:00,309 --> 02:35:58,720
the garden yeah i've spoken to them

4319
02:36:02,790 --> 02:36:00,319
they've been on my channel

4320
02:36:04,710 --> 02:36:02,800
has been yeah that's a that's an hour of

4321
02:36:06,469 --> 02:36:04,720
well spent each week it's a lot of good

4322
02:36:08,230 --> 02:36:06,479
fun man they're great guys they got such

4323
02:36:10,150 --> 02:36:08,240
good banter and they just they are

4324
02:36:11,910 --> 02:36:10,160
light-hearted and they still cover

4325
02:36:13,830 --> 02:36:11,920
serious topics have good interviews and

4326
02:36:15,590 --> 02:36:13,840
that's why i had them on because i just

4327
02:36:17,910 --> 02:36:15,600
wanted to you know that's what i try and

4328
02:36:19,750 --> 02:36:17,920
do i try and bring a bit of versatility

4329
02:36:21,830 --> 02:36:19,760
to this channel and you know i have some

4330
02:36:23,910 --> 02:36:21,840
serious serious guests and serious

4331
02:36:26,389 --> 02:36:23,920
conversations but sometimes i want fun

4332
02:36:27,670 --> 02:36:26,399
and light-heartedness and and that's so

4333
02:36:29,349 --> 02:36:27,680
yeah i love yeah

4334
02:36:31,110 --> 02:36:29,359
awesome it gets very intense this

4335
02:36:34,389 --> 02:36:31,120
youthful community yeah if you look at

4336
02:36:38,710 --> 02:36:34,399
the twitter sphere some days

4337
02:36:41,349 --> 02:36:38,720
there's just this real acidic anger that

4338
02:36:42,469 --> 02:36:41,359
exists between certain skeptics and

4339
02:36:44,790 --> 02:36:42,479
certain

4340
02:36:46,950 --> 02:36:44,800
people in the field and there's

4341
02:36:49,110 --> 02:36:46,960
no space for being human there it's just

4342
02:36:50,710 --> 02:36:49,120
quite nasty stuff and you think you feel

4343
02:36:51,990 --> 02:36:50,720
quite sorry for a lot of people there's

4344
02:36:53,750 --> 02:36:52,000
a lot of yellow

4345
02:36:55,429 --> 02:36:53,760
yellow folk out there talking a lot

4346
02:36:57,670 --> 02:36:55,439
about a lot of people

4347
02:36:58,469 --> 02:36:57,680
nothing to do with ufos and uap just

4348
02:36:59,349 --> 02:36:58,479
about

4349
02:37:01,429 --> 02:36:59,359
people

4350
02:37:02,830 --> 02:37:01,439
not sad against me i'd steer clear from

4351
02:37:04,469 --> 02:37:02,840
twitter

4352
02:37:06,870 --> 02:37:04,479
generally

4353
02:37:08,950 --> 02:37:06,880
i like it i like to keep up i like to i

4354
02:37:11,110 --> 02:37:08,960
can i manage to steer clear of the

4355
02:37:13,349 --> 02:37:11,120
negativity and still i

4356
02:37:14,550 --> 02:37:13,359
utilize the platform i've learned how to

4357
02:37:16,230 --> 02:37:14,560
do it

4358
02:37:18,469 --> 02:37:16,240
you know so i'm happy i'm happy with

4359
02:37:21,750 --> 02:37:18,479
where it's at right now to be honest

4360
02:37:24,070 --> 02:37:21,760
so yeah i learned a few i had twitter's

4361
02:37:26,309 --> 02:37:24,080
four or five years ago and i i

4362
02:37:29,030 --> 02:37:26,319
woke up one day and i realized that i

4363
02:37:31,349 --> 02:37:29,040
had become an absolute master

4364
02:37:33,750 --> 02:37:31,359
of being able to antagonize those on my

4365
02:37:35,110 --> 02:37:33,760
left and those in my right equally in

4366
02:37:36,950 --> 02:37:35,120
one sentence

4367
02:37:38,710 --> 02:37:36,960
and i'd be looking at them both reacting

4368
02:37:40,950 --> 02:37:38,720
to these crudely prepared traps and i

4369
02:37:43,429 --> 02:37:40,960
thought that's no way for me to use my

4370
02:37:44,950 --> 02:37:43,439
mind or my time or my life and i thought

4371
02:37:47,349 --> 02:37:44,960
to myself

4372
02:37:50,309 --> 02:37:47,359
so i've written a thousand four hundred

4373
02:37:52,550 --> 02:37:50,319
user news articles in five years wow

4374
02:37:54,710 --> 02:37:52,560
three books three books that represents

4375
02:37:55,590 --> 02:37:54,720
over two million published words three

4376
02:37:57,510 --> 02:37:55,600
books

4377
02:37:59,349 --> 02:37:57,520
and endless hours of documentary and

4378
02:38:01,190 --> 02:37:59,359
always thought to myself

4379
02:38:04,790 --> 02:38:01,200
now i've got some prep telling me to use

4380
02:38:06,870 --> 02:38:04,800
140 characters to tell you what i think

4381
02:38:09,190 --> 02:38:06,880
i'm out and i just closed my account

4382
02:38:10,790 --> 02:38:09,200
yeah i get that i can understand that

4383
02:38:13,510 --> 02:38:10,800
completely

4384
02:38:15,349 --> 02:38:13,520
oh man well listen ash we've we've hit

4385
02:38:17,270 --> 02:38:15,359
over two and a half hours i could chat

4386
02:38:19,190 --> 02:38:17,280
to you for two and a half more hours to

4387
02:38:20,550 --> 02:38:19,200
be honest yeah you are going to be for a

4388
02:38:23,030 --> 02:38:20,560
lot more than that

4389
02:38:24,870 --> 02:38:23,040
well right beside me i want to thank you

4390
02:38:26,469 --> 02:38:24,880
so much for not just coming on here

4391
02:38:28,309 --> 02:38:26,479
tonight but for involving me in the

4392
02:38:30,070 --> 02:38:28,319
project for having these conversations

4393
02:38:32,389 --> 02:38:30,080
with me for the past year

4394
02:38:34,950 --> 02:38:32,399
for becoming such a good friend as well

4395
02:38:36,469 --> 02:38:34,960
yeah can't wait till we get to actually

4396
02:38:39,670 --> 02:38:36,479
meet

4397
02:38:41,349 --> 02:38:39,680
and yeah yeah i value old friends that

4398
02:38:42,710 --> 02:38:41,359
have been in your life for 20 years as

4399
02:38:44,870 --> 02:38:42,720
much as you do the ones that have been

4400
02:38:46,230 --> 02:38:44,880
in your life and will be for the next 20

4401
02:38:47,750 --> 02:38:46,240
years i too

4402
02:38:49,270 --> 02:38:47,760
value this one and i think it's great

4403
02:38:51,110 --> 02:38:49,280
that from

4404
02:38:52,630 --> 02:38:51,120
a friend strafe putting us in touch with

4405
02:38:54,950 --> 02:38:52,640
each other near a year ago that we're

4406
02:38:56,389 --> 02:38:54,960
now flying you to colombia we're coming

4407
02:38:57,270 --> 02:38:56,399
out here to make a film together and

4408
02:38:59,349 --> 02:38:57,280
have a

4409
02:39:01,670 --> 02:38:59,359
business holiday if you like yeah

4410
02:39:03,270 --> 02:39:01,680
absolutely man so yeah thank you again

4411
02:39:05,510 --> 02:39:03,280
and to everyone that's been here tonight

4412
02:39:07,030 --> 02:39:05,520
in the chat in and out here thank you

4413
02:39:09,349 --> 02:39:07,040
everybody for holding on you guys are

4414
02:39:11,910 --> 02:39:09,359
awesome and this is my last live

4415
02:39:15,030 --> 02:39:11,920
interview um before christmas

4416
02:39:17,110 --> 02:39:15,040
i have a little surprise video let's say

4417
02:39:18,710 --> 02:39:17,120
coming out on christmas eve

4418
02:39:20,710 --> 02:39:18,720
and so look out for that that's going to

4419
02:39:22,950 --> 02:39:20,720
be a conversation that i recorded a few

4420
02:39:24,710 --> 02:39:22,960
days ago with some friends that will

4421
02:39:26,150 --> 02:39:24,720
premiere on christmas eve so look out

4422
02:39:28,710 --> 02:39:26,160
for that but yeah

4423
02:39:30,550 --> 02:39:28,720
is that is that a core bill drop

4424
02:39:32,950 --> 02:39:30,560
oh mate isn't anything drop it's just a

4425
02:39:34,550 --> 02:39:32,960
conversation between friends um i won't

4426
02:39:35,429 --> 02:39:34,560
give out the list of friends but it is

4427
02:39:36,870 --> 02:39:35,439
just a

4428
02:39:38,389 --> 02:39:36,880
christmas gathering of friends if

4429
02:39:40,230 --> 02:39:38,399
anybody watches it they watch it if they

4430
02:39:41,590 --> 02:39:40,240
don't they don't it's nothing serious

4431
02:39:43,510 --> 02:39:41,600
it's just yeah

4432
02:39:45,110 --> 02:39:43,520
you know it's just a little can i before

4433
02:39:47,030 --> 02:39:45,120
we go can i just say a quick thank you

4434
02:39:48,469 --> 02:39:47,040
there's just there's a block of pen it's

4435
02:39:49,910 --> 02:39:48,479
not a list there's

4436
02:39:52,150 --> 02:39:49,920
so for for

4437
02:39:55,349 --> 02:39:52,160
all of the people

4438
02:39:58,230 --> 02:39:55,359
from art of missing josh grey mandel

4439
02:39:59,349 --> 02:39:58,240
snap barker and this endless list of

4440
02:40:01,349 --> 02:39:59,359
people

4441
02:40:03,270 --> 02:40:01,359
who know me as uap colombia and have

4442
02:40:04,070 --> 02:40:03,280
done for the last year is like hi i'm

4443
02:40:05,510 --> 02:40:04,080
ash

4444
02:40:07,910 --> 02:40:05,520
and it's been great working with you all

4445
02:40:10,550 --> 02:40:07,920
all day it's been anonymous but truly i

4446
02:40:11,990 --> 02:40:10,560
know lots and lots of people anonymously

4447
02:40:14,150 --> 02:40:12,000
in the world as i say it's not been

4448
02:40:16,309 --> 02:40:14,160
through myself up columbia but

4449
02:40:18,550 --> 02:40:16,319
what's going to be nice now is that with

4450
02:40:21,429 --> 02:40:18,560
those people my relationships can become

4451
02:40:23,670 --> 02:40:21,439
much more open you know and remember

4452
02:40:25,429 --> 02:40:23,680
it's not because i was scared to go hey

4453
02:40:27,349 --> 02:40:25,439
look this is what i'm interested in

4454
02:40:30,150 --> 02:40:27,359
vinnie it's because i had i couldn't

4455
02:40:32,309 --> 02:40:30,160
actually talk for nine months imagine

4456
02:40:34,550 --> 02:40:32,319
listen to me a scottish guy like that

4457
02:40:37,990 --> 02:40:34,560
nine months i couldn't use that mouth

4458
02:40:39,990 --> 02:40:38,000
until i go over this bad operation so

4459
02:40:41,990 --> 02:40:40,000
it wasn't avoidance it was just sheer

4460
02:40:43,750 --> 02:40:42,000
inability to but i feel as if i've come

4461
02:40:45,429 --> 02:40:43,760
out in the closet now well hey i'm

4462
02:40:52,150 --> 02:40:45,439
interested in uep

4463
02:40:54,469 --> 02:40:53,190
and you know that i'm going to be

4464
02:40:56,550 --> 02:40:54,479
promoting this

4465
02:40:59,030 --> 02:40:56,560
project from now until it's done and

4466
02:41:00,710 --> 02:40:59,040
even beyond um and for anybody that's

4467
02:41:02,469 --> 02:41:00,720
watching this now or at the end of the

4468
02:41:04,389 --> 02:41:02,479
day the link

4469
02:41:07,429 --> 02:41:04,399
to register your interest will be added

4470
02:41:08,790 --> 02:41:07,439
to the description in five minutes time

4471
02:41:10,550 --> 02:41:08,800
um if you're watching this after the

4472
02:41:12,309 --> 02:41:10,560
fact it will be there

4473
02:41:14,710 --> 02:41:12,319
come and check it out you know register

4474
02:41:16,950 --> 02:41:14,720
your interest you know just

4475
02:41:19,269 --> 02:41:16,960
you know ask your questions

4476
02:41:21,110 --> 02:41:19,279
ask yeah all that kind of stuff you know

4477
02:41:23,110 --> 02:41:21,120
you you know you don't have to kind of

4478
02:41:24,389 --> 02:41:23,120
sign up to anything and

4479
02:41:26,870 --> 02:41:24,399
you know it's just

4480
02:41:28,230 --> 02:41:26,880
if you want to know more hit us up or

4481
02:41:29,190 --> 02:41:28,240
yeah dude

4482
02:41:30,389 --> 02:41:29,200
and then

4483
02:41:31,670 --> 02:41:30,399
you know we've just got a button there

4484
02:41:33,750 --> 02:41:31,680
you just have to press it we're going to

4485
02:41:35,110 --> 02:41:33,760
send you the cost right away

4486
02:41:36,710 --> 02:41:35,120
and that's just as simple as that we

4487
02:41:38,309 --> 02:41:36,720
just need to make sure

4488
02:41:39,670 --> 02:41:38,319
we feel the tire kickers you know the

4489
02:41:41,590 --> 02:41:39,680
people that want to know how much cow is

4490
02:41:43,429 --> 02:41:41,600
charging for our film

4491
02:41:45,190 --> 02:41:43,439
yeah absolutely no there's some kind of

4492
02:41:46,230 --> 02:41:45,200
base interest in there

4493
02:41:47,750 --> 02:41:46,240
that's it

4494
02:41:49,750 --> 02:41:47,760
all open and transparent vinnie we're

4495
02:41:52,550 --> 02:41:49,760
making a series together at the start of

4496
02:41:53,990 --> 02:41:52,560
the year apparently can't wait mate

4497
02:41:55,990 --> 02:41:54,000
i'm so happy

4498
02:41:57,269 --> 02:41:56,000
all right great but we'll see the end of

4499
02:41:58,710 --> 02:41:57,279
january we'll do this again and try and

4500
02:41:59,990 --> 02:41:58,720
get the some of the crew on board and

4501
02:42:02,790 --> 02:42:00,000
we'll get some of the participants

4502
02:42:03,990 --> 02:42:02,800
whoever's signed up to join us by then

4503
02:42:05,750 --> 02:42:04,000
yeah 100

4504
02:42:08,070 --> 02:42:05,760
so listen ash thank you one more time to

4505
02:42:09,990 --> 02:42:08,080
everyone here have a fantastic christmas

4506
02:42:12,150 --> 02:42:10,000
i wish you and your family all the best

4507
02:42:14,070 --> 02:42:12,160
thank you for the support uh with me

4508
02:42:16,710 --> 02:42:14,080
over the past six months i hope to see

4509
02:42:19,190 --> 02:42:16,720
you all back in the new year live with

4510
02:42:21,910 --> 02:42:19,200
lots more guests um let's see if we can

4511
02:42:23,830 --> 02:42:21,920
take it to the next level thank you all

4512
02:42:24,870 --> 02:42:23,840
take care and we'll see you on the next